Posted on 07/22/2025 1:30:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Who killed Tagliente Man, a Cro-Magnon who lived in Italy 17,000 years ago? New analysis reveals evidence of violent intragroup conflict and targeted violence. Using archaeology and skeletal analysis, the video pieces together a story of prehistoric humans.
Scientists JUST Unearthed a 17,000-Year-Old CRO-MAGNON Mystery | 18:00
Mysterious Origins | 51.3K subscribers | 1,163 views | July 22, 2025 | Premiered 6 hours ago
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--> YouTube-Generated Transcript <-- 0:00 · Who killed a crowagnan who lived in 0:02 · Italy 17,000 years ago? Let's find out. 0:08 · In the shadows of the southern alpine 0:10 · foothills of northern Italy, inside a 0:12 · shallow grave beneath a rock shelter 0:14 · known as Riparo Tagente, a man once lay 0:17 · undisturbed for nearly 17,000 years. His 0:21 · life, death, and rediscovery would come 0:24 · to reveal one of the most haunting and 0:26 · earliest known cases of violent 0:28 · intergroup conflict in prehistoric 0:30 · Europe. This man known today as 0:33 · Tagliente 1 or Tagliente man not only 0:36 · bore the genetic signature of a 0:38 · population that would later dominate the 0:40 · gene pool of post-glacial Europe, but he 0:43 · also carried in his bones the story of 0:45 · his untimely death at the hands of rival 0:49 · humans. 0:51 · Tagliente man's partial skeleton was 0:54 · unearthed in the Riparro Tagliente rock 0:56 · shelter. For decades, his remains sat in 1:00 · collections largely forgotten until a 1:02 · resurgence of interest in ancient DNA 1:04 · and trauma analysis led scientists to 1:06 · take a closer look. His preserved lower 1:09 · limbs, feur, and tibia showed peculiar 1:12 · incisions that would soon tell a much 1:14 · darker tale than anyone had previously 1:16 · imagined. 1:17 · Recent 3D microscopy and scanning 1:20 · electron microscopy analysis revealed 1:22 · that these incisions were projectile 1:24 · impact marks caused by flint tipped 1:27 · weapons thrown with considerable force. 1:30 · Some projectiles had struck him from 1:31 · behind, others from the front. One had 1:34 · landed perilously close to his femoral 1:36 · artery, the fatal blow. The absence of 1:39 · healing around the wounds confirms that 1:41 · he died shortly after the attack. 1:45 · Researchers concluded that Tagliente 1:47 · man's death was not the result of an 1:49 · accident or animal attack. It was 1:51 · targeted violence, a form of human 1:53 · onhuman conflict. What kind of accident 1:56 · does this? Asked bioarchchaeologist 1:58 · Vitali Sparello. It was probably some 2:00 · kind of an ambush. The lesions were not 2:03 · butchery marks, nor signs of ritual 2:05 · defleing, but consistent with the types 2:08 · of wounds inflicted by fastmoving 2:10 · projectiles used in intergroup conflict 2:13 · during the late upper Paleolithic. 2:16 · The multiple directions of the wounds 2:17 · indicate either more than one asalent or 2:20 · a coordinated ambush. This is among the 2:23 · earliest direct evidence of humans 2:24 · killing one another at a distance using 2:27 · weapons of war. 2:29 · The attackers were another group of 2:31 · hunter gatherers competing for 2:32 · territory. As the glacias receded, a new 2:35 · land opened after the last glacial 2:38 · maximum Europe. 2:41 · Tagleante man was a young adult male 2:44 · crow magnan between 22 and 30 years old 2:46 · when he died. Although initially 2:48 · considered distinct from a mandible 2:50 · found at the same site, advanced 2:52 · paleoggenomic analysis revealed that 2:54 · they were in fact the same individual. 2:57 · The differing radiocarbon dates between 2:59 · the two skeletal elements, one from the 3:02 · feur and the other from a merri to 3:05 · varying dietary signals and minor 3:07 · contamination from conservation 3:08 · treatments. 3:10 · Tagentim man's genome places him within 3:13 · the villa genetic cluster which arose in 3:16 · Italy shortly after the last glacial 3:18 · maximum. This cluster is distinct from 3:20 · the earlier Gravitian Vestoniche cluster 3:23 · and shows strong genetic affinities to 3:25 · the Balkans. His maternal Y chromosome 3:28 · belonged to Hapler group I2, a lineage 3:31 · that rose to prominence among European 3:33 · hunter gatherers and was especially 3:35 · common during the Mesolithic. His 3:37 · maternal mitochondrial DNA was assigned 3:39 · to Hapler group U2, a lineage that also 3:42 · proliferated during the Paleolithic and 3:45 · was common in upper Paleolithic Italy. 3:47 · He bore no relationship to Otie, the 3:50 · Iceman, who was also killed in the 3:52 · Italian Alps by the arrow some 12,000 3:54 · years later. The term Cro-Magnon remains 3:57 · a valid and scientifically useful 3:59 · designation because it refers 4:01 · specifically to a population of early 4:02 · modern humans in Ice Age Europe whose 4:06 · skeletal remains exhibit robust features 4:08 · that distinguish them from both 4:09 · Neanderthalss and later Homo sapiens 4:12 · populations. The decision by some 4:14 · anthropologists to abandon the term was 4:17 · rooted in an outdated belief in the 4:19 · strict replacement model that modern 4:21 · humans were entirely separate species 4:23 · that did not interbreed with 4:24 · Neanderthalss. 4:26 · This view has since been overturned by 4:28 · overwhelming genetic evidence showing 4:31 · that interbreeding did occur. By 4:34 · discarding the term Cro-Magnon, 4:36 · researchers erased a critical label for 4:38 · the distinctive early European upper 4:40 · Paleolithic population that helps us 4:42 · trace the hybridization and 4:44 · diversification of modern humans. 4:47 · Reinstating the term acknowledges both 4:49 · the historical significance of these 4:51 · fossils and the complex evolutionary 4:53 · tapestry that shaped modern human 4:56 · ancestry. 4:58 · The Villa Bruna cluster represents a 5:00 · significant demographic turnover in 5:02 · post-glacial Europe. After the coldest 5:05 · phase of the ice age around 21,000 years 5:08 · ago, southern and eastern populations 5:11 · carrying this ancestry moved into the 5:13 · Italian peninsula and replaced or 5:15 · absorbed previous Gravitian groups. The 5:18 · genetic trail indicates a corridor 5:20 · running from the Balkans into northern 5:22 · Italy and eventually across Western 5:24 · Europe. The arrival of this group likely 5:27 · coincided with profound cultural changes 5:29 · such as shifts in lithic technology and 5:32 · burial customs. 5:34 · Although low coverage genome data limits 5:37 · the certainty of specific phenotype 5:39 · reconstructions, individuals from the 5:41 · Villa Bruna cluster such as Tagentean 5:44 · typically carried a mix of ancestral and 5:46 · derived pigmentation traits. Based on 5:49 · related genomes from the same cluster 5:51 · and time period, it's highly probable 5:53 · that Tagli man had light colored eyes, 5:57 · possibly blue or green, and dark hair 5:59 · with skin pigmentation intermediate 6:02 · between that of earlier gravitian 6:04 · Europeans and lighter skinned meolithic 6:06 · populations. The SLC 24A5 and SLC 45 A2 6:12 · alles associated with light-kinn 6:15 · pigmentation were not yet widespread, 6:17 · although they begin to show up in 6:19 · epigetian individuals. His ancestry also 6:22 · suggests a reduced Neanderthal component 6:25 · compared to older European populations. 6:29 · Tagleimman's bones preserve evidence of 6:31 · his diet through stable isotope 6:33 · analysis. Compared to contemporaries, he 6:36 · consumed a substantial amount of aquatic 6:38 · protein from freshwater fish. This 6:40 · contrasts with the largely terrestrial 6:43 · diet of other epigetian individuals, 6:45 · including earlier upper paleolithic 6:47 · humans. His consumption of aquatic foods 6:50 · may have been due to seasonal or 6:52 · environmental factors or reflect 6:54 · specific subsistence strategies used by 6:57 · his group. Interestingly, this dietary 6:59 · signature also helped clarify apparent 7:02 · inconsistencies in radiocarbon dating. 7:05 · While one sample dated him slightly 7:07 · younger than another, the discrepancy 7:10 · was not due to the presence of two 7:11 · individuals, but rather to variations in 7:14 · the parts of the skeleton sampled and 7:16 · their collagen turnover rates. 7:19 · The identity of Taglante man's attackers 7:21 · remains a mystery, but given the genomic 7:24 · and archaeological context, researchers 7:26 · believe the violence stemmed from 7:28 · intergroup conflict during a period of 7:30 · territorial expansion and migration. As 7:33 · glacias retreated and fertile valleys 7:35 · reopened, human groups began 7:37 · recolonizing the Alps and competing for 7:39 · access to game, water sources, and 7:41 · shelter. The technology used flint 7:44 · tipped projectile weapons strongly 7:46 · suggests organized violence and possibly 7:49 · planned raiding or ambush scenarios. 7:51 · Given the genetic homogeneity of 7:53 · epigettian groups across Italy, the 7:56 · attackers may have belonged to a similar 7:57 · gene pool, but a different band. 8:00 · Differences in territory, access to 8:02 · highland hunting grounds, or personal 8:04 · disputes could have escalated into 8:06 · violence. 8:08 · Alternatively, remnants of Gravitian 8:10 · groups possibly pushed to marginal areas 8:12 · by the incoming epigitian wave may have 8:15 · resisted displacement. While there's 8:17 · limited genetic evidence of coexistence, 8:20 · archaeological layers suggest that some 8:23 · Gravettian technologies lingered. This 8:25 · could mean the attack was part of a 8:27 · larger pattern of demographic 8:29 · replacement and conflict, a clash 8:31 · between new and old inhabitants of the 8:33 · Italian peninsula. While the attacker's 8:36 · genetic identity cannot be directly 8:37 · known, the context of projectile trauma, 8:40 · the lack of healing, and the targeting 8:43 · of major arteries all point to 8:45 · deliberate practiced violence, a warning 8:47 · of the darker side of prehistoric human 8:49 · expansion. 8:52 · Tagliente man's burial was careful, even 8:54 · ceremonial. He was laid supine in a 8:57 · shallow pit with his arms outstretched 8:59 · and his legs covered by slabs of stone. 9:01 · One of the stones bore a carved image. 9:04 · What appears to be a lion and an orox's 9:06 · horn. Red ochre and a pierced shell were 9:09 · also found near the body. Despite the 9:11 · violent nature of his death, his 9:13 · community ensured a respectful burial. 9:16 · This suggests that Tagalente man held a 9:19 · valued role, possibly as a hunter or 9:20 · warrior. The presence of animal 9:23 · symbolism might hint at social or 9:25 · spiritual beliefs, perhaps a connection 9:27 · to toemic animals or clan identity. 9:31 · Tagliente man lived during a period of 9:33 · profound transformation ecologically, 9:35 · genetically and socially. As the ice age 9:38 · waned, new groups poured into the 9:40 · Italian peninsula from the Balkans, 9:42 · bearing fresh genetic lineages and new 9:44 · cultural traditions. He belonged to one 9:47 · of these groups, the Villa Bruna 9:48 · cluster, whose genes would later become 9:51 · dominant across Europe. But his death, 9:53 · swift, bloody, and territorial, reveals 9:56 · the cost of human migration, and the 9:58 · tensions that brewed in the tight 10:00 · corridors of Europe's rebounding 10:02 · wilderness. In death, Tagliente man 10:05 · became more than an individual. He 10:07 · became a witness, his wounds a record, 10:10 · his DNA a signature, his bones a 10:12 · testimony. His is the earliest murder on 10:15 · Italian soil we can now reconstruct in 10:17 · detail. a man shaped by his lineage, his 10:20 · environment, and ultimately by the blade 10:23 · of another. 10:27 · As the last glacial maximum began to 10:29 · ease around 20,000 years ago, the icy 10:32 · grip that had covered vast swaths of 10:34 · Europe started to release its hold. This 10:37 · environmental shift triggered one of the 10:39 · most transformative periods in 10:41 · prehistoric human history, a time marked 10:44 · by the recolonization of deglaciated 10:46 · lands, the rise of new cultural 10:48 · traditions, and the spread of novel 10:50 · genetic lineages. 10:52 · At the heart of this transition stood 10:54 · the epigetian culture and its genetic 10:57 · counterpart, the VA Bruna cluster, which 11:00 · together helped define the human 11:02 · landscape of Europe in the millennia 11:04 · that followed. The epigetian tradition 11:07 · emerged as a successor to the Gravettian 11:09 · culture around 24,000 years ago and 11:13 · persisted across southern and eastern 11:15 · Europe well into the early hollesene. It 11:18 · flourished in regions such as the 11:19 · Italian peninsula, the Balkans, and 11:21 · Eastern Europe, often occupying rock 11:24 · shelters and river valleys that had 11:25 · become accessible as glacias retreated. 11:28 · Rather than a singular unified culture, 11:31 · the epigetian represents a flexible 11:33 · evolving toolkit and symbolic tradition 11:36 · adopted by scattered bands of hunter 11:38 · gatherers navigating a rapidly changing 11:41 · ice age world. 11:44 · These groups were expert hunters, 11:46 · particularly of red deer, ibex, and 11:48 · reindeer, and were adept at exploiting a 11:50 · wide range of resources. Their toolkit 11:52 · reveals continuity with gravitian blade 11:54 · and backed point technology, but also a 11:57 · move towards smaller, more adaptable 11:59 · microlithic tools. Flint projectile 12:02 · points, often finally retouched, 12:04 · indicate a growing reliance on distance 12:05 · weapons such as spears and perhaps even 12:08 · bows. The use of bone and antler for 12:11 · barbed points and harpoons also suggests 12:14 · a diversification of hunting methods. 12:17 · Epigravetian burials reflect the 12:19 · symbolic complexity of these societies. 12:22 · Individuals were often interred with 12:23 · grave goods such as ochre, decorated 12:26 · stones, flint tools, and personal 12:28 · ornaments made of shells and animal 12:30 · teeth. Engraved art, sometimes depicting 12:33 · animals or abstract figures, suggests 12:36 · continuity with earlier upper 12:37 · Paleolithic spiritual and aesthetic 12:40 · traditions, but also localized 12:42 · expressions unique to this period. 12:45 · Sites like Riparo Tagliente in northern 12:48 · Italy, Grotto Paglichi in the south, and 12:51 · Sante Theodoro in Sicily demonstrate the 12:53 · wide geographic range of the epigetian 12:56 · and its adaptability to alpine, coastal 12:59 · and inland environments. These 13:02 · archaeological finds reveal that even in 13:04 · the cold and unstable world of the late 13:06 · pleaene, human culture was thriving, 13:09 · dynamic, and deeply embedded in both 13:12 · landscape and memory. 13:15 · The most profound transformation 13:17 · associated with the epigetian period 13:19 · came not just from technology or art but 13:22 · from a sweeping genetic shift. Around 13:25 · 17,000 years ago a new genetic lineage 13:28 · appears in the Italian peninsula. The 13:30 · Villa Bruna cluster named after the 13:33 · Villa Bruna one skeleton found in 13:34 · northern Italy and dated to about 14,000 13:37 · years ago. This lineage quickly spread 13:40 · across much of Europe, replacing or 13:42 · mixing with the earlier Gravettian 13:44 · derived populations like the Vestonichi 13:46 · cluster. Individuals such as Tagente 2 13:50 · from Riparo Tagliente in Venetto 13:52 · represent the earliest known instances 13:54 · of the Villa Bruna genetic profile in 13:56 · southern Europe. His genome dated to 14:00 · around 17,000 years ago exhibited strong 14:02 · affinities with populations from the 14:04 · Balkans. This suggests that the Villa 14:07 · Bruna cluster entered Europe from the 14:09 · southeast following a corridor along the 14:11 · Adriatic coast or south of the Alps as 14:14 · the glacias retreated and new ecological 14:16 · zones opened. The spread of Villa Bruna 14:19 · ancestry was not gradual and local. It 14:22 · was rapid and expansive. Within just a 14:25 · few thousand years, this lineage would 14:26 · become the dominant genetic profile 14:28 · among European hunter gatherers. Its 14:31 · characteristics included mitochondrial 14:33 · Hapler groups such as U5 and the Y 14:36 · chromosome Hapler group I2 both of which 14:39 · became prominent in meolithic and even 14:41 · some early Neolithic populations across 14:43 · Europe. The Villa Bruner genome also 14:46 · shows signs of reduced Neanderthal 14:48 · ancestry suggesting either demographic 14:51 · dilution through interbreeding with 14:52 · newer modern human populations or 14:54 · selective pressures that purged archaic 14:57 · genes. 14:58 · Furthermore, this cluster marks one of 15:00 · the first appearances of certain 15:02 · pigmentation genes associated with 15:04 · lighter skin and eye color. Though these 15:06 · traits were still variable and not yet 15:08 · fixed in the population, 15:11 · the convergence of the epigetian 15:13 · cultural tradition and the Villa Bruna 15:16 · genetic lineage was not coincidental. It 15:19 · represents the fusion of migration, 15:21 · adaptation, and environmental 15:23 · opportunity. As new groups moved into 15:26 · the Italian peninsula and beyond, they 15:28 · brought not only their DNA, but also 15:30 · their knowledge, tools, and symbolic 15:33 · systems. While they inherited aspects of 15:36 · local Gravettian traditions, the 15:38 · innovations they introduced, especially 15:39 · in projectile technology and regional 15:41 · adaptation, reflect a distinct cultural 15:44 · identity. Moreover, the spread of Villa 15:46 · Brununa ancestry coincided with the 15:48 · emergence of major cultural and symbolic 15:50 · transitions in Western and Southern 15:52 · Europe. It is during this period that we 15:55 · see increasing evidence of artistic 15:56 · expression, complex burial rituals, and 15:59 · the domestication of the dog, a sign of 16:01 · changing human animal relationships and 16:04 · possibly social structures. The Italian 16:07 · peninsula served as a crucial staging 16:09 · ground for this transformation. 16:11 · Northeastern Italy in particular appears 16:13 · to have been the entry point for the 16:15 · Villa Bruna genetic pulse which then 16:17 · radiated westward into France, northward 16:20 · into the Alps and eastward along the 16:22 · Danube. 16:23 · This migration not only reshaped the 16:25 · genetic makeup of Europe, but also 16:28 · helped knit together previously isolated 16:30 · populations into a more interconnected 16:32 · web of huntergatherer societies. 16:36 · By the time the Mesolithic dawned around 16:38 · 12,000 years ago, the Villa Bruna 16:40 · cluster had left a profound mark on the 16:43 · continent. Its descendants would 16:45 · interact with western huntergatherer 16:47 · groups like the Obercastle cluster, 16:50 · blending their lineages and forming the 16:52 · basis of Europe's post ice age 16:54 · populations. 16:56 · When Neolithic farmers eventually 16:57 · arrived from the near east, it was these 17:00 · Villa Bruner descended hunter gatherers 17:02 · who formed the genetic and cultural 17:04 · substrate of prehistoric Europe. The 17:07 · epigetian culture, meanwhile, serves as 17:10 · a vivid illustration of how human 17:12 · adaptability is expressed not only 17:14 · through tools and survival strategies, 17:16 · but also through art, burial, and 17:18 · belief. Together, the Epigravetian and 17:22 · Villa Bruna cluster offer a window into 17:25 · a continent in transition from cold to 17:28 · warmth, from isolation to expansion, and 17:31 · from one human population to another. 17:34 · This dynamic interplay of genetics and 17:37 · culture in the epigetian villa Bruna 17:39 · nexus stands as one of the most 17:41 · important chapters in the story of how 17:43 · modern Europe came to be. Not merely as 17:46 · a place but as a tapestry of people, 17:48 · memory and legacy.
“Cro-Magnon, what is best in life?”
Probably the guy who's lunch he swiped the week before.
Not that I am holding a grudge or anything.......
Fred! It was Fred!
He didn’t live by the creed, so fugettaboudit.
Eh. It’s Italy. It was probably a contract hit by some Sicilians.
Let Helen Thomas RIP!
I know Fred! He’s a good dude. He wouldn’t do that bro!
“This is a nice cave ya got here... shame if somethin’ were to happen to it...”
The I2 haplogroup is still very common.
Sounds like he was ambushed by several people, so maybe a war rather than a murder. In any case, the guys (or gals) who killed him are unknown and probably long dead.
A+ Civ
Another load of crap from “science”...
Thanks CG!
Her name was Bertha, she carried a club and ran her own security business.
Based on the narration (which is synthetic), with the reiterations, it was generated using AI.
Outzi............
No connection to the Bertha who killed Tagliente Man.
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