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Scientists JUST Unearthed a 17,000-Year-Old CRO-MAGNON Mystery [18:00]
YouTube ^ | July 22, 2025 | Mysterious Origins

Posted on 07/22/2025 1:30:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Who killed Tagliente Man, a Cro-Magnon who lived in Italy 17,000 years ago? New analysis reveals evidence of violent intragroup conflict and targeted violence. Using archaeology and skeletal analysis, the video pieces together a story of prehistoric humans. 
Scientists JUST Unearthed a 17,000-Year-Old CRO-MAGNON Mystery | 18:00
Mysterious Origins | 51.3K subscribers | 1,163 views | July 22, 2025 | Premiered 6 hours ago
Scientists JUST Unearthed a 17,000-Year-Old CRO-MAGNON Mystery | 18:00 | Mysterious Origins | 51.3K subscribers | 1,163 views | July 22, 2025 | Premiered 6 hours ago

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0:00·Who killed a crowagnan who lived in
0:02·Italy 17,000 years ago? Let's find out.
0:08·In the shadows of the southern alpine
0:10·foothills of northern Italy, inside a
0:12·shallow grave beneath a rock shelter
0:14·known as Riparo Tagente, a man once lay
0:17·undisturbed for nearly 17,000 years. His
0:21·life, death, and rediscovery would come
0:24·to reveal one of the most haunting and
0:26·earliest known cases of violent
0:28·intergroup conflict in prehistoric
0:30·Europe. This man known today as
0:33·Tagliente 1 or Tagliente man not only
0:36·bore the genetic signature of a
0:38·population that would later dominate the
0:40·gene pool of post-glacial Europe, but he
0:43·also carried in his bones the story of
0:45·his untimely death at the hands of rival
0:49·humans.
0:51·Tagliente man's partial skeleton was
0:54·unearthed in the Riparro Tagliente rock
0:56·shelter. For decades, his remains sat in
1:00·collections largely forgotten until a
1:02·resurgence of interest in ancient DNA
1:04·and trauma analysis led scientists to
1:06·take a closer look. His preserved lower
1:09·limbs, feur, and tibia showed peculiar
1:12·incisions that would soon tell a much
1:14·darker tale than anyone had previously
1:16·imagined.
1:17·Recent 3D microscopy and scanning
1:20·electron microscopy analysis revealed
1:22·that these incisions were projectile
1:24·impact marks caused by flint tipped
1:27·weapons thrown with considerable force.
1:30·Some projectiles had struck him from
1:31·behind, others from the front. One had
1:34·landed perilously close to his femoral
1:36·artery, the fatal blow. The absence of
1:39·healing around the wounds confirms that
1:41·he died shortly after the attack.
1:45·Researchers concluded that Tagliente
1:47·man's death was not the result of an
1:49·accident or animal attack. It was
1:51·targeted violence, a form of human
1:53·onhuman conflict. What kind of accident
1:56·does this? Asked bioarchchaeologist
1:58·Vitali Sparello. It was probably some
2:00·kind of an ambush. The lesions were not
2:03·butchery marks, nor signs of ritual
2:05·defleing, but consistent with the types
2:08·of wounds inflicted by fastmoving
2:10·projectiles used in intergroup conflict
2:13·during the late upper Paleolithic.
2:16·The multiple directions of the wounds
2:17·indicate either more than one asalent or
2:20·a coordinated ambush. This is among the
2:23·earliest direct evidence of humans
2:24·killing one another at a distance using
2:27·weapons of war.
2:29·The attackers were another group of
2:31·hunter gatherers competing for
2:32·territory. As the glacias receded, a new
2:35·land opened after the last glacial
2:38·maximum Europe.
2:41·Tagleante man was a young adult male
2:44·crow magnan between 22 and 30 years old
2:46·when he died. Although initially
2:48·considered distinct from a mandible
2:50·found at the same site, advanced
2:52·paleoggenomic analysis revealed that
2:54·they were in fact the same individual.
2:57·The differing radiocarbon dates between
2:59·the two skeletal elements, one from the
3:02·feur and the other from a merri to
3:05·varying dietary signals and minor
3:07·contamination from conservation
3:08·treatments.
3:10·Tagentim man's genome places him within
3:13·the villa genetic cluster which arose in
3:16·Italy shortly after the last glacial
3:18·maximum. This cluster is distinct from
3:20·the earlier Gravitian Vestoniche cluster
3:23·and shows strong genetic affinities to
3:25·the Balkans. His maternal Y chromosome
3:28·belonged to Hapler group I2, a lineage
3:31·that rose to prominence among European
3:33·hunter gatherers and was especially
3:35·common during the Mesolithic. His
3:37·maternal mitochondrial DNA was assigned
3:39·to Hapler group U2, a lineage that also
3:42·proliferated during the Paleolithic and
3:45·was common in upper Paleolithic Italy.
3:47·He bore no relationship to Otie, the
3:50·Iceman, who was also killed in the
3:52·Italian Alps by the arrow some 12,000
3:54·years later. The term Cro-Magnon remains
3:57·a valid and scientifically useful
3:59·designation because it refers
4:01·specifically to a population of early
4:02·modern humans in Ice Age Europe whose
4:06·skeletal remains exhibit robust features
4:08·that distinguish them from both
4:09·Neanderthalss and later Homo sapiens
4:12·populations. The decision by some
4:14·anthropologists to abandon the term was
4:17·rooted in an outdated belief in the
4:19·strict replacement model that modern
4:21·humans were entirely separate species
4:23·that did not interbreed with
4:24·Neanderthalss.
4:26·This view has since been overturned by
4:28·overwhelming genetic evidence showing
4:31·that interbreeding did occur. By
4:34·discarding the term Cro-Magnon,
4:36·researchers erased a critical label for
4:38·the distinctive early European upper
4:40·Paleolithic population that helps us
4:42·trace the hybridization and
4:44·diversification of modern humans.
4:47·Reinstating the term acknowledges both
4:49·the historical significance of these
4:51·fossils and the complex evolutionary
4:53·tapestry that shaped modern human
4:56·ancestry.
4:58·The Villa Bruna cluster represents a
5:00·significant demographic turnover in
5:02·post-glacial Europe. After the coldest
5:05·phase of the ice age around 21,000 years
5:08·ago, southern and eastern populations
5:11·carrying this ancestry moved into the
5:13·Italian peninsula and replaced or
5:15·absorbed previous Gravitian groups. The
5:18·genetic trail indicates a corridor
5:20·running from the Balkans into northern
5:22·Italy and eventually across Western
5:24·Europe. The arrival of this group likely
5:27·coincided with profound cultural changes
5:29·such as shifts in lithic technology and
5:32·burial customs.
5:34·Although low coverage genome data limits
5:37·the certainty of specific phenotype
5:39·reconstructions, individuals from the
5:41·Villa Bruna cluster such as Tagentean
5:44·typically carried a mix of ancestral and
5:46·derived pigmentation traits. Based on
5:49·related genomes from the same cluster
5:51·and time period, it's highly probable
5:53·that Tagli man had light colored eyes,
5:57·possibly blue or green, and dark hair
5:59·with skin pigmentation intermediate
6:02·between that of earlier gravitian
6:04·Europeans and lighter skinned meolithic
6:06·populations. The SLC 24A5 and SLC 45 A2
6:12·alles associated with light-kinn
6:15·pigmentation were not yet widespread,
6:17·although they begin to show up in
6:19·epigetian individuals. His ancestry also
6:22·suggests a reduced Neanderthal component
6:25·compared to older European populations.
6:29·Tagleimman's bones preserve evidence of
6:31·his diet through stable isotope
6:33·analysis. Compared to contemporaries, he
6:36·consumed a substantial amount of aquatic
6:38·protein from freshwater fish. This
6:40·contrasts with the largely terrestrial
6:43·diet of other epigetian individuals,
6:45·including earlier upper paleolithic
6:47·humans. His consumption of aquatic foods
6:50·may have been due to seasonal or
6:52·environmental factors or reflect
6:54·specific subsistence strategies used by
6:57·his group. Interestingly, this dietary
6:59·signature also helped clarify apparent
7:02·inconsistencies in radiocarbon dating.
7:05·While one sample dated him slightly
7:07·younger than another, the discrepancy
7:10·was not due to the presence of two
7:11·individuals, but rather to variations in
7:14·the parts of the skeleton sampled and
7:16·their collagen turnover rates.
7:19·The identity of Taglante man's attackers
7:21·remains a mystery, but given the genomic
7:24·and archaeological context, researchers
7:26·believe the violence stemmed from
7:28·intergroup conflict during a period of
7:30·territorial expansion and migration. As
7:33·glacias retreated and fertile valleys
7:35·reopened, human groups began
7:37·recolonizing the Alps and competing for
7:39·access to game, water sources, and
7:41·shelter. The technology used flint
7:44·tipped projectile weapons strongly
7:46·suggests organized violence and possibly
7:49·planned raiding or ambush scenarios.
7:51·Given the genetic homogeneity of
7:53·epigettian groups across Italy, the
7:56·attackers may have belonged to a similar
7:57·gene pool, but a different band.
8:00·Differences in territory, access to
8:02·highland hunting grounds, or personal
8:04·disputes could have escalated into
8:06·violence.
8:08·Alternatively, remnants of Gravitian
8:10·groups possibly pushed to marginal areas
8:12·by the incoming epigitian wave may have
8:15·resisted displacement. While there's
8:17·limited genetic evidence of coexistence,
8:20·archaeological layers suggest that some
8:23·Gravettian technologies lingered. This
8:25·could mean the attack was part of a
8:27·larger pattern of demographic
8:29·replacement and conflict, a clash
8:31·between new and old inhabitants of the
8:33·Italian peninsula. While the attacker's
8:36·genetic identity cannot be directly
8:37·known, the context of projectile trauma,
8:40·the lack of healing, and the targeting
8:43·of major arteries all point to
8:45·deliberate practiced violence, a warning
8:47·of the darker side of prehistoric human
8:49·expansion.
8:52·Tagliente man's burial was careful, even
8:54·ceremonial. He was laid supine in a
8:57·shallow pit with his arms outstretched
8:59·and his legs covered by slabs of stone.
9:01·One of the stones bore a carved image.
9:04·What appears to be a lion and an orox's
9:06·horn. Red ochre and a pierced shell were
9:09·also found near the body. Despite the
9:11·violent nature of his death, his
9:13·community ensured a respectful burial.
9:16·This suggests that Tagalente man held a
9:19·valued role, possibly as a hunter or
9:20·warrior. The presence of animal
9:23·symbolism might hint at social or
9:25·spiritual beliefs, perhaps a connection
9:27·to toemic animals or clan identity.
9:31·Tagliente man lived during a period of
9:33·profound transformation ecologically,
9:35·genetically and socially. As the ice age
9:38·waned, new groups poured into the
9:40·Italian peninsula from the Balkans,
9:42·bearing fresh genetic lineages and new
9:44·cultural traditions. He belonged to one
9:47·of these groups, the Villa Bruna
9:48·cluster, whose genes would later become
9:51·dominant across Europe. But his death,
9:53·swift, bloody, and territorial, reveals
9:56·the cost of human migration, and the
9:58·tensions that brewed in the tight
10:00·corridors of Europe's rebounding
10:02·wilderness. In death, Tagliente man
10:05·became more than an individual. He
10:07·became a witness, his wounds a record,
10:10·his DNA a signature, his bones a
10:12·testimony. His is the earliest murder on
10:15·Italian soil we can now reconstruct in
10:17·detail. a man shaped by his lineage, his
10:20·environment, and ultimately by the blade
10:23·of another.
10:27·As the last glacial maximum began to
10:29·ease around 20,000 years ago, the icy
10:32·grip that had covered vast swaths of
10:34·Europe started to release its hold. This
10:37·environmental shift triggered one of the
10:39·most transformative periods in
10:41·prehistoric human history, a time marked
10:44·by the recolonization of deglaciated
10:46·lands, the rise of new cultural
10:48·traditions, and the spread of novel
10:50·genetic lineages.
10:52·At the heart of this transition stood
10:54·the epigetian culture and its genetic
10:57·counterpart, the VA Bruna cluster, which
11:00·together helped define the human
11:02·landscape of Europe in the millennia
11:04·that followed. The epigetian tradition
11:07·emerged as a successor to the Gravettian
11:09·culture around 24,000 years ago and
11:13·persisted across southern and eastern
11:15·Europe well into the early hollesene. It
11:18·flourished in regions such as the
11:19·Italian peninsula, the Balkans, and
11:21·Eastern Europe, often occupying rock
11:24·shelters and river valleys that had
11:25·become accessible as glacias retreated.
11:28·Rather than a singular unified culture,
11:31·the epigetian represents a flexible
11:33·evolving toolkit and symbolic tradition
11:36·adopted by scattered bands of hunter
11:38·gatherers navigating a rapidly changing
11:41·ice age world.
11:44·These groups were expert hunters,
11:46·particularly of red deer, ibex, and
11:48·reindeer, and were adept at exploiting a
11:50·wide range of resources. Their toolkit
11:52·reveals continuity with gravitian blade
11:54·and backed point technology, but also a
11:57·move towards smaller, more adaptable
11:59·microlithic tools. Flint projectile
12:02·points, often finally retouched,
12:04·indicate a growing reliance on distance
12:05·weapons such as spears and perhaps even
12:08·bows. The use of bone and antler for
12:11·barbed points and harpoons also suggests
12:14·a diversification of hunting methods.
12:17·Epigravetian burials reflect the
12:19·symbolic complexity of these societies.
12:22·Individuals were often interred with
12:23·grave goods such as ochre, decorated
12:26·stones, flint tools, and personal
12:28·ornaments made of shells and animal
12:30·teeth. Engraved art, sometimes depicting
12:33·animals or abstract figures, suggests
12:36·continuity with earlier upper
12:37·Paleolithic spiritual and aesthetic
12:40·traditions, but also localized
12:42·expressions unique to this period.
12:45·Sites like Riparo Tagliente in northern
12:48·Italy, Grotto Paglichi in the south, and
12:51·Sante Theodoro in Sicily demonstrate the
12:53·wide geographic range of the epigetian
12:56·and its adaptability to alpine, coastal
12:59·and inland environments. These
13:02·archaeological finds reveal that even in
13:04·the cold and unstable world of the late
13:06·pleaene, human culture was thriving,
13:09·dynamic, and deeply embedded in both
13:12·landscape and memory.
13:15·The most profound transformation
13:17·associated with the epigetian period
13:19·came not just from technology or art but
13:22·from a sweeping genetic shift. Around
13:25·17,000 years ago a new genetic lineage
13:28·appears in the Italian peninsula. The
13:30·Villa Bruna cluster named after the
13:33·Villa Bruna one skeleton found in
13:34·northern Italy and dated to about 14,000
13:37·years ago. This lineage quickly spread
13:40·across much of Europe, replacing or
13:42·mixing with the earlier Gravettian
13:44·derived populations like the Vestonichi
13:46·cluster. Individuals such as Tagente 2
13:50·from Riparo Tagliente in Venetto
13:52·represent the earliest known instances
13:54·of the Villa Bruna genetic profile in
13:56·southern Europe. His genome dated to
14:00·around 17,000 years ago exhibited strong
14:02·affinities with populations from the
14:04·Balkans. This suggests that the Villa
14:07·Bruna cluster entered Europe from the
14:09·southeast following a corridor along the
14:11·Adriatic coast or south of the Alps as
14:14·the glacias retreated and new ecological
14:16·zones opened. The spread of Villa Bruna
14:19·ancestry was not gradual and local. It
14:22·was rapid and expansive. Within just a
14:25·few thousand years, this lineage would
14:26·become the dominant genetic profile
14:28·among European hunter gatherers. Its
14:31·characteristics included mitochondrial
14:33·Hapler groups such as U5 and the Y
14:36·chromosome Hapler group I2 both of which
14:39·became prominent in meolithic and even
14:41·some early Neolithic populations across
14:43·Europe. The Villa Bruner genome also
14:46·shows signs of reduced Neanderthal
14:48·ancestry suggesting either demographic
14:51·dilution through interbreeding with
14:52·newer modern human populations or
14:54·selective pressures that purged archaic
14:57·genes.
14:58·Furthermore, this cluster marks one of
15:00·the first appearances of certain
15:02·pigmentation genes associated with
15:04·lighter skin and eye color. Though these
15:06·traits were still variable and not yet
15:08·fixed in the population,
15:11·the convergence of the epigetian
15:13·cultural tradition and the Villa Bruna
15:16·genetic lineage was not coincidental. It
15:19·represents the fusion of migration,
15:21·adaptation, and environmental
15:23·opportunity. As new groups moved into
15:26·the Italian peninsula and beyond, they
15:28·brought not only their DNA, but also
15:30·their knowledge, tools, and symbolic
15:33·systems. While they inherited aspects of
15:36·local Gravettian traditions, the
15:38·innovations they introduced, especially
15:39·in projectile technology and regional
15:41·adaptation, reflect a distinct cultural
15:44·identity. Moreover, the spread of Villa
15:46·Brununa ancestry coincided with the
15:48·emergence of major cultural and symbolic
15:50·transitions in Western and Southern
15:52·Europe. It is during this period that we
15:55·see increasing evidence of artistic
15:56·expression, complex burial rituals, and
15:59·the domestication of the dog, a sign of
16:01·changing human animal relationships and
16:04·possibly social structures. The Italian
16:07·peninsula served as a crucial staging
16:09·ground for this transformation.
16:11·Northeastern Italy in particular appears
16:13·to have been the entry point for the
16:15·Villa Bruna genetic pulse which then
16:17·radiated westward into France, northward
16:20·into the Alps and eastward along the
16:22·Danube.
16:23·This migration not only reshaped the
16:25·genetic makeup of Europe, but also
16:28·helped knit together previously isolated
16:30·populations into a more interconnected
16:32·web of huntergatherer societies.
16:36·By the time the Mesolithic dawned around
16:38·12,000 years ago, the Villa Bruna
16:40·cluster had left a profound mark on the
16:43·continent. Its descendants would
16:45·interact with western huntergatherer
16:47·groups like the Obercastle cluster,
16:50·blending their lineages and forming the
16:52·basis of Europe's post ice age
16:54·populations.
16:56·When Neolithic farmers eventually
16:57·arrived from the near east, it was these
17:00·Villa Bruner descended hunter gatherers
17:02·who formed the genetic and cultural
17:04·substrate of prehistoric Europe. The
17:07·epigetian culture, meanwhile, serves as
17:10·a vivid illustration of how human
17:12·adaptability is expressed not only
17:14·through tools and survival strategies,
17:16·but also through art, burial, and
17:18·belief. Together, the Epigravetian and
17:22·Villa Bruna cluster offer a window into
17:25·a continent in transition from cold to
17:28·warmth, from isolation to expansion, and
17:31·from one human population to another.
17:34·This dynamic interplay of genetics and
17:37·culture in the epigetian villa Bruna
17:39·nexus stands as one of the most
17:41·important chapters in the story of how
17:43·modern Europe came to be. Not merely as
17:46·a place but as a tapestry of people,
17:48·memory and legacy.

1 posted on 07/22/2025 1:30:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 07/22/2025 1:31:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Cro-Magnon, what is best in life?”


3 posted on 07/22/2025 1:32:04 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: SunkenCiv
Who killed Tagliente Man, a Cro-Magnon who lived in Italy 17,000 years ago?

Probably the guy who's lunch he swiped the week before.

Not that I am holding a grudge or anything.......

4 posted on 07/22/2025 1:51:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Who killed Tagliente Man, a Cro-Magnon who lived in Italy 17,000 years ago?

Fred! It was Fred!

5 posted on 07/22/2025 1:55:04 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda.)
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To: SunkenCiv

He didn’t live by the creed, so fugettaboudit.


6 posted on 07/22/2025 2:04:12 PM PDT by Omnivore-Dan (have to )
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7 posted on 07/22/2025 2:13:16 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: SunkenCiv

Eh. It’s Italy. It was probably a contract hit by some Sicilians.


8 posted on 07/22/2025 2:23:58 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It LEFT me, and keeps going further left. )
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To: SunkenCiv

Let Helen Thomas RIP!


9 posted on 07/22/2025 2:31:32 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Islander7

I know Fred! He’s a good dude. He wouldn’t do that bro!


10 posted on 07/22/2025 2:33:44 PM PDT by vpintheak (Screw the ChiComms! America first!)
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To: Flatus I. Maximus

“This is a nice cave ya got here... shame if somethin’ were to happen to it...”


11 posted on 07/22/2025 2:49:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"His maternal Y DNA"? Only person in history to inherit Y DNA from his mother.

The I2 haplogroup is still very common.

Sounds like he was ambushed by several people, so maybe a war rather than a murder. In any case, the guys (or gals) who killed him are unknown and probably long dead.

12 posted on 07/22/2025 2:49:58 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

A+ Civ


13 posted on 07/22/2025 3:19:52 PM PDT by ComputerGuy
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To: SunkenCiv

Another load of crap from “science”...


14 posted on 07/22/2025 3:43:07 PM PDT by Democrat = party of treason
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To: ComputerGuy

Thanks CG!


15 posted on 07/22/2025 5:13:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Her name was Bertha, she carried a club and ran her own security business.

Based on the narration (which is synthetic), with the reiterations, it was generated using AI.


16 posted on 07/22/2025 5:15:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Outzi............


17 posted on 07/22/2025 7:43:52 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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