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Supermassive black holes in 'little red dot' galaxies are 1,000 times larger than they should be, and astronomers don't know why
Space.com ^ | January 27, 2025 | Robert Lea

Posted on 01/28/2025 11:22:22 AM PST by Red Badger

"Our measurements imply that the supermassive black hole mass is 10% of the stellar mass in the galaxies we studied."

Using the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), astronomers have discovered distant, overly massive supermassive black holes in the early universe. The black holes seem way too massive compared to the mass of the stars in the galaxies that host them.

In the modern universe, for galaxies close to our own Milky Way, supermassive black holes tend to have masses equal to around 0.01% of the stellar mass of their host galaxy. Thus, for every 10,000 solar masses attributed to stars in a galaxy, there is around one solar mass of a central supermassive black hole.

In the new study, researchers statistically calculated that supermassive black holes in some of the early galaxies seen by JWST have masses of 10% of their galaxies' stellar mass. That means for every 10,000 solar masses in stars in each of these galaxies, there are 1,000 solar masses of a supermassive black hole.

"The mass of these supermassive black holes is very high compared to the stellar mass of the galaxies that host them," team leader Jorryt Matthee, a scientist at the Institute of Science and Technology Austria (ISTA), told Space.com. "At face value, our measurements imply that the supermassive black hole mass is 10% of the stellar mass in the galaxies we studied."

"In the most extreme scenario, this would imply that the black holes are 1,000 times too heavy."

The discovery could bring astronomers a step closer to solving the mystery of how supermassive black holes with masses millions or even billions of times that of the sun grew so quickly in the early universe.

"Rather than saying this discovery is 'troubling,' I would say it is 'promising,' as the large discrepancy suggests that we are about to learn something new," Matthee added.

The story begins with little red dots Since JWST started beaming data back to Earth in the summer of 2022, the $10 billion telescope has helped astronomers refine their understanding of the early cosmos.

This has included the discovery of supermassive black holes with millions of solar masses when the universe was less than one billion years old. This is problematic, because scientists have estimated that the merger chains of progressively larger black holes and the voracious feeding on surrounding matter that leads black holes to supermassive sizes are thought to take more than a billion years.

Another significant aspect of this investigation of the early universe by JWST has been the discovery of "little red dot galaxies," some of which existed just 1.5 billion years after the Big Bang, when the universe was around 11% of its current age.

The red coloration of these surprisingly bright early galaxies is thought to come from gas and dust in a flattened cloud of matter around supermassive black holes called an accretion disk. As the giant black holes feed on this matter, they emit huge amounts of electromagnetic energy, from a compact region known as an active galactic nucleus (AGN).

"In 2023 and 2024, we and other groups discovered a previously hidden population of AGNs in the early universe in the first data sets from the JWST," Matthee said. "The light that we see from these objects, in particular the redder light, originates from accretion disks around supermassive black holes.

"These objects became known as 'little red dots' because that's how they appear in JWST images."

Currently, this early galactic population is very exciting, albeit poorly understood. For instance, in the early universe, little red dots seem to be far more numerous compared to previously known populations of AGNs seen from Earth as supermassive black hole-powered quasars.

An image shows six of the "little red dot" galaxies seen by JWST in the early universe. (Image credit: NASA, ESA, CSA, STScI, Dale Kocevski (Colby College))

"The little red dots also show some very remarkable properties, such as the faintness in X-ray emission, which is pretty unusual for AGNs, and the infrared emission is also unusual," Matthee said. "Due to these complications, we are struggling to interpret the light that we observe from the little red dots, which means that it is very difficult to study their properties."

This is where Matthee and colleagues' new work comes in. Using a data set from the JWST year 2 (cycle 2) “All the Little Things (ALT)” survey, the team built a precise 3D map of all galaxies in a specific region in the sky.

"Within that region, we have identified seven little red dots, similar to previous studies, but now we have been able to compare the locations of these little red dots in the 3D galaxy map," Matthee said.

The team's little red dots are located so far away that their light has been traveling to us for around 12.5 billion years. They are clustered in the so-called cosmic web of galaxies, with their positioning being of paramount importance.

Little red dot galaxies are morsels on a cosmic web

The position of galaxies in the cosmic web depends on the type of galaxy. More evolved, massive galaxies are found in over-dense regions such as the nodes where the strands of the web connect. Younger and lower-mass galaxies tend to be found in less dense regions of the cosmic web, along the length of individual strands away from nodes.

"We have found that the little red dots are in environments that resemble low-mass, young galaxies," Matthee said. "This implies that the little red dot galaxies are also low-mass young galaxies."

The fact these little red dot galaxies contain AGNs has provided evidence that early black holes are actively growing in galaxies with stellar masses as low as around 100 million times that of the sun.

One possible explanation for this is that supermassive black holes in the early universe managed to form and grow much more efficiently than those in the present-day universe. This could be due to the more rapid consumption of surrounding gas and matter.

"In my opinion, the most likely explanation is the extremely rapid growth of supermassive black holes nurtured by the high gas densities of galaxies in the early universe," Matthee said. "These densities simultaneously lead to high stellar densities, which promotes supermassive black hole formation through facilitating runaway collisions of remnant black holes."

If that's true, then the formation of stars and supermassive black holes in galaxies are intrinsically linked, with these processes depending on each other. Though supermassive black holes grow faster in early galaxies, star formation catches up, leading to the 1:100 mass ratio seen today.

This doesn't yet confirm rapid growth theories over other supermassive black hole growth explanations, such as the idea that these cosmic titans grow from massive black hole seeds created by the direct collapse of huge clouds of gas and dust.

However, Matthee added that it will now be hard for theorists to get around low host galaxy masses when competing theories are considered.

Matthee explained that the next steps for both the team and for the wider astronomical community are to eliminate the possibility that the stellar mass/black hole mass ratio they found is not the result of inaccurate measurements or a selection bias that may have favored the most active and thus massive supermassive black holes.

This will likely involve the discovery of more little red dot galaxies, a hunt that the JWST will undoubtedly be at the heart of.

"The JWST has been important for two main reasons: Without it, we would not have discovered those populations of faint AGNs," Matthee concluded. "Also, without the JWST, we would not have been able to make the accurate 3D map of galaxy distributions that we used to infer the properties of the galaxies hosting the faint AGNs.

"It’s a very exciting research field at the moment!"

The team's research has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal. It has been posted on the paper repository site arXiv.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackholes; darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; physics; science; speedofdark; stringtheory
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1 posted on 01/28/2025 11:22:22 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Because they are overachievers?


2 posted on 01/28/2025 11:23:58 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: Red Badger

Bigger than they “should be”? Hmmm…


3 posted on 01/28/2025 11:24:20 AM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Jonty30

Black Holes Matter


4 posted on 01/28/2025 11:24:42 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

some one used the wrong sized paint brush?


5 posted on 01/28/2025 11:26:47 AM PST by b4me (Pray, and let God change you. He knows better than you or anyone else, who He made you to be.)
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To: FamiliarFace

Agree...Makes absolutely no sense.


6 posted on 01/28/2025 11:26:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: FamiliarFace
Bigger than they “should be”? Hmmm…

You should be HAPPY that they are ONLY 10,000 times bigger than they should be.

Can you imagine what it'd be like if there were 20,000 times bigger! There'd surely be hell to pay.

And, if they were 100,000x bigger, OMG we'd really be screwed!

Clearly, this is a problem that even a lot more taxes won't solve.

7 posted on 01/28/2025 11:34:25 AM PST by C210N (Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.)
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To: Red Badger

Been sucking down stuff for a lot longer?


8 posted on 01/28/2025 11:35:19 AM PST by doorgunner69 (Your oath of enlistment has no expiration date)
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To: Red Badger

I still wonder if some of the light we are looking at hasn’t circled back on itself.

It’s been demonstrated that light’s path is impacted by gravity and therefore “curves”. If this is true as documented then light should have an orbit and therefore eventually circle back on itself.

The question then becomes which cycle of light are we looking at and not how far away is it.

Not an active theory, but one that I don’t think has been assessed.


9 posted on 01/28/2025 11:36:26 AM PST by reed13k
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To: Red Badger

That’s no black hole. That’s a space station!


10 posted on 01/28/2025 11:38:23 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Red Badger

Do teachers still write “Check your work!” on tests and homework papers?

I’d start there.


11 posted on 01/28/2025 11:40:14 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (They were the FA-est of times, they were the FO-est of times.)
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To: Red Badger

They don’t know why?

It’s simple, those things are hotter than expected because you are wrong about some other things. Get to work on that.


12 posted on 01/28/2025 11:41:23 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Black guy upon receiving a MAGA hat: "MURICA!")
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To: C210N

“Clearly, this is a problem that even a lot more taxes won’t solve.”

Whoa! You’re getting pretty far out on that limb, there! Careful.


13 posted on 01/28/2025 11:42:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (They were the FA-est of times, they were the FO-est of times.)
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To: reed13k

Great. Now I have to consider circled back light in my thoughts.


14 posted on 01/28/2025 11:45:28 AM PST by Cold Heart (Government for moral and religious people. Democrat party is neither )
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To: C210N

They might be exactly the right size as God deems them to be.


15 posted on 01/28/2025 11:47:26 AM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Red Badger

Don’t worry if you can’t explain it. God is on it.


16 posted on 01/28/2025 11:51:52 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: FamiliarFace
in before the first -

Khan!


17 posted on 01/28/2025 11:53:22 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Red Badger

LIKE THE EMPTY PLACES IN LIBERAL HEADS???


18 posted on 01/28/2025 11:55:16 AM PST by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: ridesthemiles

Uncharted territory!.................


19 posted on 01/28/2025 11:57:24 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger
What came first, a black hole or a galaxy?

My simple logic is a black hole forms first and draws in surrounding matter to create a galaxy.

20 posted on 01/28/2025 12:17:52 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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