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Rewriting Evolution: Study Shows Neanderthals and Humans Were Not the Same Species
Scitech Daily ^ | December 13, 2024 | Natural History Museum, London

Posted on 12/17/2024 5:58:14 AM PST by Red Badger

A replica of an approximately 50,000-year-old Neanderthal cranium from La Ferrassie, France, compared to a recent Homo Sapiens cranium. Credit: Trustees of the Natural History Museum A study suggests that by the time H. sapiens expanded, the differentiation between the two species had progressed to the extent that they were distinct and recognizable as separate species.

A recent study conducted by researchers from London’s Natural History Museum and the Institute of Philosophy at KU Leuven has strengthened the argument that Neanderthals and modern humans (Homo sapiens) should be classified as distinct species to more accurately trace our evolutionary history.

Different researchers have different definitions as to what classifies as a species. It is undisputed that H. sapiens and Neanderthals originate from the same parental species, however studies into Neanderthal genetics and evolution have reignited the debate over whether they should be classed as separate from H. sapiens or rather a subspecies (H. sapiens neanderthalensis).

Evidence Supporting Species Distinction

Advocating the former, Chris Stringer (Natural History Museum, London) and Andra Meneganzin (Institute of Philosophy, KU Leuven, Belgium) state that despite the inherent limitations of the fossil record, there is enough morphological, ecological, genetic, and temporal evidence to justify this categorization, and claim that this evidence reflects the complexity of the speciation process, in which populations from one parent species progressively diverge to become different descendant species. Taxonomic disagreement, they claim, is best explained by how the speciation process is modeled in the record, rather than conflicts between evidence types.

Dr. Andra Meneganzin, Post-doctoral Fellow at the KU Leuven Institute of Philosophy and lead author of the study, says: “In the science of human origins, implicit and unrealistic theoretical assumptions can be just as limiting as the scarcity of data. Taxonomic disagreement over the classification of our species and Neanderthals offer a prime example of oversimplified expectations regarding the nature of speciation. Both in present and past taxa, speciation unfolds across space and time, through multiple stages involving the incremental acquisition of distinct characters. By reading the fossil records through the temporal and geographic dimensions that shaped past human diversity, available data can become increasingly informative rather than more limiting, and help move debates beyond unproductive deadlocks.

Professor Chris Stringer, Research Leader at the Natural History Museum and joint author of the paper, says: “In the context of Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, we need to regard speciation as a gradual process that occurred over more than 400,000 years. It is correct that the two interbred where they were not geographically separate, but over time differentiation continued to a point where the two were distinctly different species. When the Neanderthals died out around 40,000 years ago, the two species were in the final stage of the speciation process and were developing reproductive isolation from each other.”

Challenges in Mapping Speciation

Mapping speciation over a 400,000-year period from palaeontological and archaeological evidence has proven challenging for scientists, as in the later stages of speciation H. sapiens and Neanderthals continued to interbreed and exchange genes and behaviours. However, to reliably trace modern human evolution, categorizations need to be made about anatomical and geographical developments. The study claims that if interbreeding was the final word in determining species status, then hundreds of distinct species of mammals and birds today would have their separate species status revoked and that without recognizing patterns in evolution and subsequent categorization, the question of when a species first appeared becomes more intractable.

Fossil records show that H. sapiens developed in Africa, whilst Neanderthals evolved in Eurasia for at least 400,000 years, with interbreeding occurring as H. sapiens expanded out of the former region. However, the study argues that by the time of H. sapiens expansion and subsequent interbreeding, differentiation between the two species had occurred to the point where they were distinguishable species. One striking example of differentiation is that their ecological profiles were distinguishable and associated with “minimally different” habitats.

Neanderthals were better equipped to cope with colder climates – an adaptation which even today we have not yet fully developed without the use of technology. They had to be more physically active and for longer periods, to gather the resources they needed for survival, which helps to explain morphological differences including ribcage and pelvis shapes, inferring bigger internal organs such as the lungs, heart, and liver – amongst a wide range of anatomical distinctions. This may have been a factor in their extinction, as the more gracile skeleton of H. sapiens suggests a more economical physiology, less demanding of energy and resources, and aided by complex technology. This could have made the difference between survival and extinction when there was rapid climate change, or a strong competition for resources where the two coexisted.

An ever-evolving field of research, this bold new paper hopes to provide an explicit theoretical framework for future study, calling for a more nuanced chronological and evolutionary contextualisation of the available fossil record.

Reference:

“Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and Speciation Complexity in Palaeoanthropology”

by Andra Meneganzin and Chris Stringer, 14 November 2024, Evolutionary Journal of the Linnean Society.

DOI: 10.1093/evolinnean/kzae033


TOPICS: Education; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: anthropology; crevo; godsgravesglyphs; lucy; morphology; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; piltdownman; species; tedholden
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1 posted on 12/17/2024 5:58:14 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

PinGGG!..........................


2 posted on 12/17/2024 5:58:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Yeah, more like apes?


3 posted on 12/17/2024 6:00:29 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: Red Badger

My Neanderthal ancestors were murder in a genocidal invasion from Africa. Africans owe me reparations for cultural emotional damage they caused


4 posted on 12/17/2024 6:05:43 AM PST by Fai Mao (The US government is run by pedophiles and Perverts for pedophiles and perverts)
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To: Red Badger

No kidding, ANIMAL man vs mankind made as we know him, in God’s image...


5 posted on 12/17/2024 6:05:51 AM PST by Democrat = party of treason
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To: Red Badger

Did they fashion the entire skull models from a piece of cranium about the size of a walnut? That’s the sort of thing they done in the past.


6 posted on 12/17/2024 6:07:28 AM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

I wonder why they studied a replica, and not the original skull?


7 posted on 12/17/2024 6:08:07 AM PST by healy61 (.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m no expert on this subject...and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But it seems to me that they had a lot in common with us...more than we have in common with gorillas or chimps.


8 posted on 12/17/2024 6:10:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: Red Badger

And yet they knuckle-drag among us.


9 posted on 12/17/2024 6:13:09 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Red Badger

So the speciation process continued despite inbreeding.


10 posted on 12/17/2024 6:13:16 AM PST by Track9
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To: Red Badger

Creatures that are not the same species, but close, can only produce offspring that are sterile. Horse and donkey=Mule. You ever see a thoroughbred mule?
If you buy garden hybrid garden seeds they produce great crops, but the seeds will not reproduce themselves. There is usually a warning on the package telling you this.

Some people will buy and plant hybrid corn getting a great crop, then plant the seeds and expect the same The stalk may come up but the ear of corn is a failure.


11 posted on 12/17/2024 6:16:44 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Red Badger

A hypothesis, which many scientists will disagree with.

Very little actual evidence, lots of speculation.

Consider that most dogs, wolves and coyotes are all capable of interbreeding and producing viable offspring which can reproduce. They are all pretty much just variations on one large species.


12 posted on 12/17/2024 6:17:37 AM PST by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: Red Badger
"It is correct that the two interbred where they were not geographically separate."

Yeah, well, it was late on a Saturday night, last call, and the Neanderthals began looking a lot better than they did earlier in the evening.

13 posted on 12/17/2024 6:20:10 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Red Badger

This is news?


14 posted on 12/17/2024 6:20:10 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: Democrat = party of treason

Ah, but which is which?


15 posted on 12/17/2024 6:20:45 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: GreenHornet

Went to bed a two with a ten and woke up at ten with a two!.................


16 posted on 12/17/2024 6:21:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: healy61
“ I wonder why they studied a replica, and not the original skull?”

Because they probably don’t have an original skull. They have a few fragments which they have used to reconstruct what they claim the “original skull” looked like.

17 posted on 12/17/2024 6:23:10 AM PST by circlecity
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To: GreenHornet

Pretty sure the Neanderthal chicks could just take you, if inclined.

They had bigger brains and were quite a bit stronger.

What they didn’t have is a lot of sexual dimorphism and sex specialization, so they didn’t have very many kids live to adulthood, in comparison.


18 posted on 12/17/2024 6:23:25 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: Red Badger
My take on the math. First the quote from the article:

Professor Chris Stringer, Research Leader at the Natural History Museum and joint author of the paper, says: “In the context of Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, we need to regard speciation as a gradual process that occurred over more than 400,000 years. It is correct that the two interbred where they were not geographically separate, but over time differentiation continued to a point where the two were distinctly different species. When the Neanderthals died out around 40,000 years ago, the two species were in the final stage of the speciation process and were developing reproductive isolation from each other.”

If this "occurred over more than 400,000 years", then we're talking about a very gradual amount of speciation (baby steps taking 400K years). If the earth is 4 billion years old, IMHO that doesn't give much time for such slow speciation to evolve goo to human beings.

But on the other hand, the Cambrian Explosion had 50 to 100 new phyla (many of them going extinct) all of a sudden appear in the fossil record within a 400K year timeframe. It's like, natural selection is too slow to do the job. But God can make not just new species, but also new genus and even new phyla appear whenever He darn well feels like it.

19 posted on 12/17/2024 6:23:25 AM PST by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Red Badger

Ok... so if Neanderthals were a separate species and every race but blacks has Neanderthal in them.. does that make blacks a different species than all other humans?


20 posted on 12/17/2024 6:23:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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