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Oldest Known Dog Bone Hints Our Best Friends Were With Us Earlier Than Thought
.sciencealert.com ^ | 30 November 2022 By | MICHELLE STARR

Posted on 12/01/2022 12:11:24 PM PST by BenLurkin

A canine humerus recovered from Erralla cave in the Basque Country, Spain in 1985 has now been dated to between 17,410 and 17,096 years ago. And multiple lines of analysis confirm it's not from a wolf, but a dog: Canis familiaris. This means that old, cracked humerus represents the oldest dog bone to date.

That's an incredible datapoint for contextualizing dog domestication, and opens up new discussions about the timeline and the nature of remains of "dog-like wolves" thought to be an intermediate stage between wolves and dogs.

When and how dogs diverged from their wolf (Canis lupus) ancestors, and when they became domesticated, are subjects of some debate.

Although some believe that the two species started to diverge over 100,000 years ago, it's far more generally accepted that dog domestication began sometime between 40,000 and 20,000 years ago. And it's even possible that the process began with the wolves self-domesticating as they grew attached to human settlements.

Biological remains, however, are challenging to identify. Time works its ravages on DNA, leaving identification usually down to bone shape. This isn't necessarily reliable, since wolves may have had a greater variety of body shapes in the past, or may have had regional variations. Thus we get the dog-like wolves, from bones that have dog-like and wolf-like traits, from between 15,000 and 40,000 years ago.

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TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientnavigation; animalhusbandry; canisfamiliaris; canislupus; dietandcuisine; dog; dogs; errallacave; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humerus; michellestarr; neolithic; paleontology
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1 posted on 12/01/2022 12:11:24 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Spain?

Not Korea?.......................


2 posted on 12/01/2022 12:15:21 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: BenLurkin

or the obama tribe thought they were mighty good eatin.


3 posted on 12/01/2022 12:18:58 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: BenLurkin

I guess that’s why we call them doggos.


4 posted on 12/01/2022 12:20:10 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond

I was wondering if it was found near the remains of a camp fire.


5 posted on 12/01/2022 12:26:19 PM PST by READINABLUESTATE (It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.)
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To: BenLurkin
What flavor was it? Chicken? Beef? Mailman?


6 posted on 12/01/2022 12:30:59 PM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!β€œ LOL...)
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To: Red Badger

The Korean ones showed traces of a vinegar/garlic/pepper substance on them.


7 posted on 12/01/2022 12:31:26 PM PST by Waverunner
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To: BenLurkin

There was a movie called “Alpha” about how a wolf became man’s best friend. A linguist wrote the script in Proto-Siberian.


8 posted on 12/01/2022 12:33:04 PM PST by C19fan
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To: BenLurkin

There is a hilarious meme about a wolf deciding to hang out with humans for a free meal wondering what could go wrong...then an imagine of some frou frou dog in a costume.


9 posted on 12/01/2022 12:34:49 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Waverunner

πŸ˜œπŸ‘πŸ‘ŒπŸ˜........................


10 posted on 12/01/2022 12:36:10 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: moovova
Most certainly the pack here favorite bone.

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11 posted on 12/01/2022 12:37:16 PM PST by chief lee runamok (Anti Socialist Derelict At Large)
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To: moovova

(Mailman?)

Newman!!!


12 posted on 12/01/2022 12:47:10 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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13 posted on 12/01/2022 1:27:32 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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14 posted on 12/01/2022 1:28:35 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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15 posted on 12/01/2022 1:30:20 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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16 posted on 12/01/2022 1:35:18 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: gundog

Thanks, I needed a great laugh today!!


17 posted on 12/01/2022 1:55:53 PM PST by cld51860 (We’re doomed.)
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To: gundog

LOL


18 posted on 12/01/2022 2:19:14 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: BenLurkin

Not so sure about friends but take along lunch fit too.


19 posted on 12/01/2022 2:20:04 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: BenLurkin; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
The information was fetched from a 17K year old humerus.

20 posted on 12/02/2022 8:44:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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