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An Astronomer Just Laid Out a Navigation System For Interstellar Space Travel
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | 22 MARCH 2021 | MICHELLE STARR

Posted on 03/22/2021 7:55:09 AM PDT by Red Badger

It's 2021, and we finally don't have to worry quite so much about our spacecraft getting lost in interstellar space.

Using the positions and shifting light of stars, both near and far, astronomer Coryn A.L. Bailer-Jones has demonstrated the feasibility of autonomous, on-the-fly navigation for spacecraft traveling far beyond the Solar System.

Interstellar space navigation may not seem like an immediate problem. However, already in the last decade human-made instruments have entered interstellar space, as first Voyager 1 (in 2012) and Voyager 2 (in 2018) crossed the Solar System boundary known as the heliopause.

It's only a matter of time before New Horizons joins them, followed by more probes in the future. As these spacecraft travel farther and farther from their home planet, communication with Earth takes longer and longer.

New Horizons is currently nearly 14 light-hours from Earth, which means it takes 28 hours to send a signal and receive a response; not an impossible tracking and navigation system, but an ungainly one.

At greater and greater distances, however, this will no longer be reliable.

"When travelling to the nearest stars, signals will be far too weak and light travel times will be of order years," Bailer-Jones wrote in his paper, which is currently available on the preprint server arXiv, where it awaits peer review from the astronomy community.

"An interstellar spacecraft will therefore have to navigate autonomously, and use this information to decide when to make course corrections or to switch on instruments. Such a spacecraft needs to be able to determine its position and velocity using only onboard measurements."

Bailer-Jones, who works at the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy in Germany, isn't the first to think of this. NASA has been working on navigation by pulsars, using the dead stars' regular pulsations as the basis for a galactic GPS. This method sounds pretty great, but it may be subject to errors at greater distances, due to distortion of the signal by the interstellar medium.

With a catalog of stars, Bailer-Jones was able to show that it's possible to work out a spacecraft's coordinates in six dimensions - three in space and three in velocity - to a high accuracy, based on the way the positions of those stars changes from the spacecraft's point of view.

"As a spacecraft moves away from the Sun, the observed positions and velocities of the stars will change relative to those in a Earth-based catalog due to parallax, aberration, and the Doppler effect," he wrote.

"By measuring just the angular distances between pairs of stars, and comparing these to the catalog, we can infer the coordinates of the spacecraft via an iterative forward-modelling process."

Parallax and aberration both refer to the apparent change in the positions of stars due to Earth's motion. The Doppler effect is the change in the wavelength of light from a star based on whether it appears to be moving closer to or away from the observer.

Because all of these effects involve the relative positions of the two bodies, a third body (the spacecraft) in a different position will see a different arrangement of the stars.

It's actually pretty difficult to determine the distances to stars, but we're getting a lot better. The Gaia satellite is conducting an ongoing mission to map the Milky Way in three dimensions, and has given us the most accurate map of the galaxy to date.

Bailer-Jones tested his system using a simulated star catalog, and then on nearby stars from the Hipparcos catalog compiled in 1997, at relativistic spacecraft speeds. Although this is not as accurate as Gaia, that's not terribly important - the aim was to test that the navigation system can work.

With just 20 stars, the system can determine the position and velocity of a spacecraft to within 3 astronomical units and 2 kilometers per second (1.24 miles per second). This accuracy can be improved inverse to the square root of the number of stars; with 100 stars, the accuracy came down to 1.3 astronomical units and 0.7 kilometers per second.

There are some kinks that would need to be worked out. The system hasn't taken stellar binaries into consideration, nor has it considered the instrumentation. The aim was to show that it could be done, as a first step towards actualizing it.

It's even possible that it could be used in tandem with pulsar navigation so that the two systems might be able to minimize each other's flaws. And then the sky, literally, is the limit.

The paper is available on arXiv.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Business/Economy; History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: astronomy; corynalbailerjones; michellestarr; nasa; science; stringtheory
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To: FreshPrince
How can we navigate if the reference points are not stationary?

Not only that, but "scientists" don't really know where the stars ARE; they know where they WERE. In a lot of cases they only know where they were millions of years ago.

21 posted on 03/22/2021 8:45:44 AM PDT by libertylover (Many people who want to destroy us have bumper stickers on their cars that say: "Coexist".)
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To: Red Badger

Just now.


22 posted on 03/22/2021 8:48:24 AM PDT by webheart (COVID was not worth the economic misery that it took to keep me from getting it for 7 months..)
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To: Red Badger

Waste of time and money.


23 posted on 03/22/2021 8:51:05 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Seruzawa
Many mathematical concepts do not exist in the actual universe.

That's OK. In the Biden era, we are interested in truth, not facts.

Robert Heinlein in one of his novels worked out a solution for communicating at great distances. Train identical twins to communicate with mental telepathy. Then send one of them on a space ship while the other stays on earth. They can communicate instantly no matter how far apart they are. At least it worked in the novel.

24 posted on 03/22/2021 8:55:13 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I read that. One of his lighter novels before he went insane. Lol.


25 posted on 03/22/2021 9:09:47 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Red Badger

Prove it.


26 posted on 03/22/2021 9:15:31 AM PDT by bgill (Which came first, Covid-19 or Gates and Fauci's mRNA-1273 Moderna vax?)
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To: libertylover
"Not only that, but "scientists" don't really know where the stars ARE; they know where they WERE. In a lot of cases they only know where they were millions of years ago."

Yup. That's why I say time travel is infeasable outside our Solar System. Even within, the calculations to not wind up inside the Sun, planets, or space void is beyond our current technology. Still, I love time travel movies.

27 posted on 03/22/2021 9:17:32 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1776. Death Certificate - 2021 under Biteme.)
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To: FreshPrince

If we know which way most everything is moving, easy to compute reference points.


28 posted on 03/22/2021 9:19:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels.)
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To: Red Badger
its not for us, its for our alien overlords...
29 posted on 03/22/2021 9:22:42 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Seruzawa
wormholes are only a mathematical concept

Agreed.

As Nanzi would say, you would have to go through one to see what was in it.

:-)
30 posted on 03/22/2021 9:24:46 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Red Badger

Dumb... It’s like drawing an entire road map befor cars are even invented yet!!


31 posted on 03/22/2021 9:30:49 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: A Navy Vet

‘Time’ travel is, at best, a sci-fi myth.

Everything in the universe is moving. If you were to ‘travel’ back in time, or forward for that matter, just one second, you would wind up in a complete intergalactic void, and be dead in a few seconds, unless you had a life support system.

Use computers to ‘offset’ the movements? Too many variables to allow such computations to be very accurate to within a distance of a few thousand miles, much less inches.

Another more compelling reason is mass.

The universe has a certain amount of mass and energy. If you travel to another time, forward or backward, you would increase the ‘mass’ of the universe, because ever atom and subatomic particle of your body has always been around in some form or another since the beginning. T travel to another ‘time’ your atoms would then be duplicated, which is a no-no. To offset the duplication you would be immediately turned into energy. >>>> BOOM <<<<<......................


32 posted on 03/22/2021 9:35:42 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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To: sit-rep

Unless........................they have them already.............


33 posted on 03/22/2021 9:38:56 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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To: Red Badger
"The universe has a certain amount of mass and energy. If you travel to another time, forward or backward, you would increase the ‘mass’ of the universe, because ever atom and subatomic particle of your body has always been around in some form or another since the beginning. T travel to another ‘time’ your atoms would then be duplicated, which is a no-no. To offset the duplication you would be immediately turned into energy."

Interesting. I haven't thought of that. The best sci-fi time travel movies are about unknown dimensional travel like "Arrival". Not sure if your thesis would be applicable in that case.

34 posted on 03/22/2021 10:08:47 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1776. Death Certificate - 2021 under Biteme.)
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To: A Navy Vet

In Asimov’s short story, The Ugly Little Boy, and later full novel version with Silverberg, they handled the problem of ‘mass’ by having the boy and every little thing, grass, dirt, etc, they captured in the past and brought to the present, by having it stay in a ‘bubble of energy’ that was neither in the past or the present, but in between. Of course it too huge amounts of energy to keep the ‘bubble’ going, so it couldn’t be kept up for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_Little_Boy


35 posted on 03/22/2021 10:23:22 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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To: Red Badger

It took 40 years for V’ger to get to the edge of the solar system. It will take 500 years to get lost at current rates of speed.


36 posted on 03/22/2021 10:24:44 AM PDT by webheart (COVID was not worth the economic misery that it took to keep me from getting it for 7 months..)
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To: Red Badger; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; ...
As the Boy Scouts say, "be prepared."

37 posted on 03/22/2021 10:27:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

we made tremendous advancements thru Space X, but as far as inter stellar, I havent seen any Ion Drives being boasted about lately! and I cant really imagine they would depend on gravitational “Sling Shots” to propel them thru this Navigation system!

basicly I don’t know jack about it all... just seems a bit premature. in all things Space Travel, one could say we just invented the wheel in regards to Propulsion! just sayin...


38 posted on 03/22/2021 10:30:26 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks Red Badger.


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39 posted on 03/22/2021 10:30:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sign me up.

Dancing Green Slave Girls here I come!


40 posted on 03/22/2021 10:35:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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