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Black Holes Could Get So Humongous, Astronomers Came Up With a New Size Category
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | MICHELLE STARR | 25 JANUARY 2021

Posted on 01/25/2021 8:57:35 AM PST by Red Badger

There are supermassive black holes. There are ultramassive black holes. How large can these strange objects grow? Well, there could be something even bigger than ultramassive: stupendously large black holes, according to the latest research.

Such hypothetical black holes - larger than 100 billion times the mass of the Sun - have been explored in a new paper which names them SLABs, an acronym that stands for "Stupendously LArge Black holeS".

"We already know that black holes exist over a vast range of masses, with a supermassive black hole of 4 million solar masses residing at the centre of our own galaxy," explained astronomer Bernard Carr of Queen Mary University London.

"Whilst there isn't currently evidence for the existence of SLABs, it's conceivable that they could exist and they might also reside outside galaxies in intergalactic space, with interesting observational consequences."

Black holes have only a few somewhat broad mass categories. There are stellar-mass black holes; those are black holes that are around the mass of a star, up to around 100 solar masses. The next category up is intermediate mass black holes, and how large they get seems to depend on who you talk to. Some say 1,000 solar masses, some say 100,000, and others say 1 million; whatever the upper limit is, these seem to be pretty rare.

Supermassive black holes (SMBHs) are much, much larger, on the order of millions to billions of solar masses. These include the SMBH at the heart of the Milky Way, Sagittarius A*, at 4 million solar masses, and the most photogenic SMBH in the Universe, M87*, at 6.5 billion solar masses.

The chonkiest black holes we've detected are ultramassive, more than 10 billion (but less than 100 billion) solar masses. These include an absolute beast clocking in at 40 billion solar masses in the centre of a galaxy named Holmberg 15A.

"However, surprisingly, the idea of SLABs has largely been neglected until now," Carr said.

"We've proposed options for how these SLABs might form, and hope that our work will begin to motivate discussions amongst the community."

The thing is, scientists don't quite know how really big black holes form and grow. One possibility is that they form in their host galaxy, then grow bigger and bigger by slurping up a whole lot of stars and gas and dust, and collisions with other black holes when galaxies merge.

This model has an upper limit of around 50 billion solar masses - that's the limit at which the object's prodigious mass would require an accretion disc so massive it would fragment under its own gravity. But there's also a significant problem: Supermassive black holes have been found in the early Universe at masses too high to have grown by this relatively slow process in the time since the Big Bang.

Another possibility is something called primordial black holes, first proposed in 1966. The theory goes that the varying density of the early Universe could have produced pockets so dense, they collapsed into black holes. These would not be subject to the size constraints of black holes from collapsed stars, and could be extremely small or, well, stupendously large.

The extremely small ones, if they ever existed, would probably have evaporated due to Hawking radiation by now. But the much, much larger ones could have survived.

So, based on the primordial black hole model, the team calculated exactly how stupendously large these black holes could be, between 100 billion and 1 quintillion (that's 18 zeroes) solar masses.

The purpose of the paper, the researchers said, was to consider the effect of such black holes on the space around them. We may not be able to see SLABs directly - black holes that aren't accreting material are invisible, since light cannot escape their gravity - but massive invisible objects can still be detected based on the way space around them behaves.

Gravity, for instance, curves space-time, which causes the light travelling through those regions to also follow a curved path; this is called a gravitational lens, and the effect could be used to detect SLABs in intergalactic space, the team said.

The huge objects also would have implications for the detection of dark matter, the invisible mass that's injecting way more gravity into the Universe than there should be - based on what we can actually directly detect.

One hypothetical dark matter candidate, weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs), would accumulate in the region around a SLAB due to the immense gravity, in such concentrations that they would collide with and annihilate each other, creating a gamma-radiation halo.

And primordial black holes are themselves a dark matter candidate, too.

"SLABs themselves could not provide the dark matter," Carr said. "But if they exist at all, it would have important implications for the early Universe and would make it plausible that lighter primordial black holes might do so."

Also, we couldn't resist calculating the size of a 1 quintillion solar mass black hole. The event horizon would end up over 620,000 light-years across. Uh. Stupendous.

The team's research has been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackholes; haltonarp; physics; quasars; science; stringtheory
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To: Red Badger

Kamala’s?


21 posted on 01/25/2021 9:47:22 AM PST by PTBAA
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To: Red Badger
Have they come up with the size of The Great Attractor - the place that is drawing the entire Universe to it?
22 posted on 01/25/2021 10:08:33 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

Supercalifragilisticexpealidocious black holes!


23 posted on 01/25/2021 10:39:04 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Pez149

Much of what these cosmologists claim is really just the same as theology.


24 posted on 01/25/2021 11:59:06 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Red Badger

Black Holes remain only theoretical. While there is a claim to have discovered one, it is conjecture. Much of modern physics is only theoretical, like the Medieval debates on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and lacks experimental replication.


25 posted on 01/25/2021 12:58:32 PM PST by captain_dave
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To: captain_dave

It seems to me that when enough black holes merge, soon the entire Universe is back to where it started.......................


26 posted on 01/25/2021 1:00:18 PM PST by Red Badger (TREASON is the REASON for the SLEAZIN'.................................)
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To: Red Badger

(This thread could have gone to some really dark places...)

27 posted on 01/25/2021 1:02:42 PM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Red Badger

How about Al Sharpton before he lost weight?


28 posted on 01/25/2021 1:07:01 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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“Nadlers?”


29 posted on 01/25/2021 1:16:06 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Only a moronic, suicidal group would try a Great Purge 2021 on an armed American. We're ready!)
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To: Red Badger

Reminds me of the national debt being racked up and needs a new category of stupidity assigned.


30 posted on 01/25/2021 1:57:36 PM PST by NWFree
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks Red Badger.


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31 posted on 01/26/2021 12:11:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

Dat's so Raciss.

32 posted on 01/26/2021 12:37:17 PM PST by Bullish (CNN is what happens when 8th graders run a cable network.)
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To: Red Badger
""We've proposed options for how these SLABs might form, and hope that our work will begin to motivate discussions amongst the community.""

More precisely: "We've proposed options for how these SLABs might form, and hope that our work will begin to motivate humongous levels of research funding amongst the community."

With the LHC fizzling out since Higgs, something is needed to take its funding slot to keep several thousand physicists working...

33 posted on 01/26/2021 4:41:42 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Joe McCarthy now that we desperately need him sober?)
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To: Red Badger
..."SLABs themselves could not provide the dark matter,"

Scientists have been searching for this dark matter stuff for years here on Earth and so far...nothing. For something that is supposedly 85% of the matter in the universe it sure looks like a bust to me. The whole theory sinks, something else is at play here.

34 posted on 01/27/2021 12:52:52 AM PST by Nateman (Keep Liberty Alive! Article V)
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To: Magnum44

35 posted on 01/27/2021 12:56:42 AM PST by Nateman (Keep Liberty Alive! Article V)
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To: Nateman

“Let there be light. And there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good.”.....................


36 posted on 01/27/2021 5:05:38 AM PST by Red Badger (TREASON is the REASON for the SLEAZIN'.................................)
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To: Nateman

Well done sir 😂


37 posted on 01/27/2021 5:19:14 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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