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Neanderthals, Humans Interbred—First Solid DNA Evidence -Most of us have some Neanderthal genes
nationalgeographic ^ | May 6, 2010 | Ker Than

Posted on 05/07/2010 12:04:44 PM PDT by JoeProBono

The next time you're tempted to call some oaf a Neanderthal, you might want to take a look in the mirror.

According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them—at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.

The study uncovered the first solid genetic evidence that "modern" humans—or Homo sapiens—interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors, who mysteriously died out about 30,000 years ago.

What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe—as has long been suspected.

"We can now say that, in all probability, there was gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans," lead study author Ed Green of the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a prepared statement.

That's no surprise to anthropologist Erik Trinkhaus, whose skeleton-based claims of Neanderthal-modern human interbreeding—previously contradicted with DNA evidence—appear to have been vindicated by the new gene study, to be published tomorrow in the journal Science.

"They've finally seen the light ... because it's been obvious to many us that this happened," said Trinkaus, of Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, who wasn't part of the new study.

Trinkhaus adds that most living humans probably have much more Neanderthal DNA than the new study suggests.

"One to 4 percent is truly a minimum," Trinkaus added. "But is it 10 percent? Twenty percent? I have no idea."


TOPICS: Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cromags; dna; genes; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; jpb; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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To: allmendream

Sure I’m kidding abut the insect/bird thing, but perhaps some day it will be figured out and who knows?

Now mice and humans are both mammals, but I’ve seen pictures of human ears growing on mice for research purposes, perhaps grafted, I don’t know, but it really grossed me out.

Somehow I’m not bothered by wolves and coyotes inter breeding. I’m not sure why, maybe because they are so similiar in appearance, and I’ve heard that escaped or abandoned sled dogs have bred with wolves.

So what’s the story with foxes? Seperate from wolves and coyotes?


61 posted on 05/07/2010 1:16:36 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: gigster

Didn’t see the movie.

Was it any good?


62 posted on 05/07/2010 1:18:33 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Frenchtown Dan

Ligers can stand 12 feet tall


63 posted on 05/07/2010 1:18:58 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Frenchtown Dan
I don’t think anyone has really looked into it with foxes.

The “human ear” growing on a mouse is just cartilidge from a human patient growing within the living matrix of a mouse. Holds the promise of growing a new cosmetic ear for people who lost them in Vincent Van Gough type accidents. ;)

64 posted on 05/07/2010 1:19:01 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: JoeProBono
The reason why a Liger is so much bigger than a Tigon?

Well a Lioness has many cubs, and may not have mated with just one male. The male Lion includes epigenetic signals in the DNA he passes on to his offspring that tend to maximize placental growth. The Female Lion includes epigenetic signals in the DNA she passes on to her offspring that tend to blunt this signalling.

Enter the Tiger.

A female Tiger mated to a male Lion doesn’t have the same epigenetic signals to mute the Lions ‘demand’ for maximum placental growth. So a male Lion and a female Tiger produce the GIGANTIC Liger.

A male Tiger mated to a female Lion doesn’t have those same epigenetic signals, but the female does mute the, now non existant, ‘demand’ for maximum placental growth. The result is that a “Tigon” is actually smaller than a Tiger.

Interesting stuff.

65 posted on 05/07/2010 1:24:20 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: JoeProBono

Holy Molly!!

Looks like it could eat a truck load of steaks, the driver, and the truck included.

Is this real or photo-shopped?


66 posted on 05/07/2010 1:24:34 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: al baby

Wonderful another contradictory set of findings. Let me know when you managed to come up with the real evidence, k?


67 posted on 05/07/2010 1:25:13 PM PDT by thinkin out loud
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To: allmendream
Well the experts in hominid fossils can all seem to independently agree on what features will make fossil remains of hominids in Europe from that time period either “homo sapiens” or “homo neanderthal”. These criteria are real. There was a distinctly non human population of hominids that lived in Europe, and then disappeared some 30,000 years ago. DNA remains show that they were NOT human. Lacking a cogent explanation from non scientific sources, I am obliged to adhere to the pontifications based upon real evidence that you dismissively call the scientific methodology.

Liberal/progressives are keenly in tuned in using that scientific methodology for their own purposeful means. Evolution is the embryo of liberalism.... we are gods and we can give and we can take whatever rights we deem socially justified. Because the process of evolution tells us so.

What the evidence demonstrates is this earth is 'ageless' for lack of a better term. And we in these flesh bodies, (does not matter what the human eye can or cannot literally see) and they have been upon this earth in the form we see around God's green earth around 8-10 thousand years. Nobody can date the planting/formation of flesh as we see today human bodies closer than that.

68 posted on 05/07/2010 1:28:33 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Frenchtown Dan
Seems real


69 posted on 05/07/2010 1:29:01 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Awesome pics!

Kitty looks pretty fat & happy, but I wonder what it’s like when it doesn’t get it’s happy meal.


70 posted on 05/07/2010 1:33:06 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Pan_Yan

The version of this story which ran in the local paper said there was no evidence so far of Neanderthals who had ancestors from so-called modern humans (or Cro-Magnons, or whatever you want to call them). I guess that means that “modern human” women of that time found Neanderthal men attractive, but Neanderthal women did not think that the Cro-Magnon men were sexy.


71 posted on 05/07/2010 1:34:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Frenchtown Dan

"Ligers are extremely social animals. They are happy and content living with both lions and tigers. They also display genuine affection for their human handler's and trainers."


72 posted on 05/07/2010 1:43:58 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Just mythoughts
Delusional drivel.

Evolution through natural selection of genetic variation in no way implies that we are “gods”. Anti science zealots can never seem to agree on if acceptance of evolution demeans humanity or elevates humanity.

There is much evidence that this Earth is of FINITE but of great age. There is no evidence at all that it is “ageless”.

Humans have been around in their present form for at least 100,000 years.

Before that we see lots of different types of hominids that are clearly human like, but just as clearly NOT human.

Your claims are based upon your own delusions and wishful thinking about what you want to believe, and you are apparently willing to ignore any and all evidence that doesn't conform to what you want to believe.

73 posted on 05/07/2010 2:12:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: James C. Bennett

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Thanks James C. Bennett. There has been a spate of these over the past week or so, hence I'll add this to the catalog but not ping the list. :') I do appreciate the ping, very much. along with the usual:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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74 posted on 05/07/2010 2:40:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: null and void

He men. ooooh


75 posted on 05/07/2010 3:03:15 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt)
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To: JoeProBono
Speaking of NeanderthALs......


76 posted on 05/07/2010 3:15:08 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: al baby

I thought it was politically incorrect to create images of Obama’s prophet, Mohammad.


77 posted on 05/07/2010 3:39:08 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Frenchtown Dan

It’s one of those great, laffoutloud, nerds-win, low-budget indies that comes along every ten years or so.


78 posted on 05/07/2010 4:11:27 PM PDT by onehipdad (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: JoeProBono

So man’s best friend is a cat?

Well maybe they could do a better job with the deer eating everything I plant, better than fido. He thinks they’re my problem, and besides the cute little terds they drop are too much fun to roll in anyway.
I’d give a small fortune to see the deer’s reaction to this kitty.

Thanks again for the really cool pics.


79 posted on 05/07/2010 4:59:28 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Jessarah

So, then what’s 0bama’s excuse?


80 posted on 05/07/2010 5:30:45 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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