Ogham alphabet

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[SunkenCiv]

Ogham inscriptions : [600 bc] primitive inscriptions of the old Q-Celt (600 bc) or the newer P-Celt (400 bc) that survive in the British Isles. We have a total of approximately 375 Ogham inscriptions. Ireland has some 316 Ogham inscriptions, Wales has 40 inscriptions, and the Isle of Man has 10 inscriptions. One inscription survived at Silchester in southern England, and a few Pictish Ogham inscriptions have been found in Scotland, as far north as the Shetland Islands. Ogham script often runs upward, in a vertical manner, for it was originally written as notches on wooden staves.

Oghams : cypher alphabets; vestiges of the Celtic Ogham alphabet that are sometimes characterized by their appearance or the place of their discovery. The categories in the Book of Ballymote include the wheel Ogham, bird Ogham, pig Ogham, and color Ogham, as well as Oghams of the tree, hill, church, castle, fruit. Cf. cypher alphabets.

[yhwhsman]

Plus, there are many Ogam inscriptions found in the US as well. Just finished reading a very good book, America BC, awesome stuff.

I'm fascinated by the Ogam script. Very versatile. Each letter of the 'alpahbet' is a series of lines. When you are carving words on rocks, it's much easier to carve lines then fancy cursive type letters. Plus you can use your fingers to spell the letters as a kind of sign language. And then, many statues have been found where the hands are spelling words, leaving behind a message for all time.

[SunkenCiv]

I've very fond of that book. Fell's idea (perhaps he gave attribution elsewhere, I read it 20 years ago) was that Ogham began as a type of fingerspelling. He also notes that the fingers of the Thor character on the Gundestrup Cauldron spell "thunder" using ogham and whatever language it was...

	America B.C. by Barry Fell find it in a nearby library
	Saga America by Barry Fell find it in a nearby library
	Bronze-Age America by Barry Fell find it in a nearby library

[stuartcr]

Very interesting read. I picked it up about 15 yrs ago. An interesting note, is that while visiting an old museum on the Island of Hokkaido, I came across some reproductions of ancient Ainu, that very closely resembled something like the Ogams or Runes. I haven't been able to find any more info though.

[yhwhsman]

Ogham began as a type of fingerspelling

I think it's a very advanced language myself. I'm amazed at how difficult it is for people to believe that ancient people's visited America in the past, and how resistent they are to the evidence Fell has gathered.

[SunkenCiv]

While looking for "ogham" with "ainu", found this on FR using Google:

The Pinta, Santa Maria And A Chinese Junk?
Posted on 02/03/2003 3:18:04 PM PST by blam

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[stuartcr]

Thanks for the link..truly interesting.

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The hieroglyphs were priestly writings, and the symbolism of each glyph or pictograph pertains to the ancient Egyptian cosmology which changed over time. The oldest of these will be found in the Upper Nile and at the oldest Horite shrine in Nekhen. To understand the Sumerian pictographs we have to look at the earlier roots common to both the Nilotic and Sumerian peoples. Here we will find some very ancient lexemes, like V and W; T/X and the solar symbols O and Y. Research the urheimat of the Canaanite Y.

Many of these lexemes appear in the old Dedanite scripts, and in the Oasis North Arabian alphabets like Thamudic, Dumaitic, and Taymanitic.

There were other ancient writing forms used by merchants for keeping accounts. These are found along ancient trade routes; the spice routes, the King’s Highway from Egypt through Palestine, the ancient tin route from Spain to Ireland, etc. These involve fewer pictographs and more hatch marks that suggest counting or record keeping. It is possible that Ogham developed from these early commercial scripts. Some of the elements of the commercial scripts are found in Hebrew and in Ainu.

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The entrances to the stone chambers at Acton, Massachusetts and Maeshowe in Orkney are almost identical. Maeshowe represents finer workmanship, however.

[SunkenCiv]

this is interesting, but maintains the sorry fiction that Ogham was suddenly invented in the 5th c AD. Ogham is much older.

The Story of Ogham
By Catherine Swift
Posted 1st October 2015, 10:35
The ancient rune-like writing system is carved into stones across Ireland
http://www.historytoday.com/catherine-swift/story-ogham

Map showing ogham inscription locations:
http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2009/11/ogham-stones-of-elsewhere.html
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Ogham/Maps/OghamMapSilchester.jpg

Isle of Man ogham inscription discovered by Time Team:
http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2008/05/throng-of-fifty-warriors-routed-by.html

There are ogham inscriptions in Wales, Cornwall, and England — the easternmost known surviving one was found in the 1890s in Silchester:

Silchester Ogham stone
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Silchester+Ogham+stone&reload=1&_=143682

THE ENIGMA OF SILCHESTER’S OGHAM STONE
FEBRUARY 1, 2011 GERRY PALMER
http://www.archaeologyinmarlow.org.uk/2011/02/the-enigma-of-silchester%E2%80%99s-ogham-stone/

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