TP: THREAT POTENTIALS [UNCONVENTIONAL, IMPROBABLE OR NOT]

SOME FREEPERS are fascinated with fringe areas of reality. Some of us even think the fringe areas of knowledge, research, anecdotal stories and the like will have very impactful effects on the WAR ON TERROR, WWIII, Biblical end time events etc.

WE ALSO FIND FREEPERS FULL OF GREAT CREATIVITY OF THOUGHT, INSIGHT, WORK RELATED EXPERIENCES AND SKILLS ETC. useful in collecting diverse puzzle pieces and in analyzing them. This diversity is priceless and virtually unavailable on any other site.

While we are seriously interested in topics which others scoff at, throw tinfoil hat assaults at and which we often even can't discuss calmly with many of our relatives and friends--we are either not all loonies or not 100% looney--though perhaps, hopefully, healthily insane in an insane society a la Eric Fromm.

Nevertheless, we do NOT enjoy nor appreciate hostile flame wars and the like just because we enjoy fringe puzzle pieces and analysis. Nor do we wish to cast the least bit of aspersions on FR.

I do not know how many of us will be willing to show up and post on this thread. Many are gunshy from all the flame attacks such topics typically trigger hereon. However, if my FREEPMAIL is any hint, there are plenty to be interested in such a thread.

HOWEVER, to whatever degree I may be graced with the ability to do so--this thread will NOT tolerate flame wars, flame posts, hostile jabs at other posters etc. I will do my utmost to get such posts pulled immediately.

The THREAT MATRIX thread has done mostly pretty well at creating and maintaining a lot of resourcefulness, creativity, camaraderie, mutual supportiveness and friendliness.

I hope and expect that this thread can even do better. Certainly I will do what I can to help make that happen.

If this thread flies and helps in any way analyze the WOT threats as well as natural disaster threats or any other plausible threats from 'reality' (whatever that is), then WONDERFUL. If it's just a good place to toss around the various puzzle pieces and their implications in a convoluted era and reality--that's worth some time, too.

If you have comments about the above, please post them! Hostile dereogatory posts will AT LEAST BE WHOLESALE IGNORED.

A magnitude 5.2 earthquake IN SOUTHERN ALASKA has occurred at: 61.65N 151.25W Depth 81km Mon Jun 21 21:29:09 2004 UTC

Time: Universal Time (UTC) Mon Jun 21 21:29:09 2004 Time Near Epicenter Mon Jun 21 13:29:09 2004 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Mon Jun 21 15:29:09 2004

Location with respect to nearby cities: 85 km (55 miles) NW of Anchorage, Alaska (pop 260,000) 95 km (60 miles) SW of Talkeetna, Alaska (pop 700) 115 km (70 miles) W of Palmer, Alaska (pop 4,500) 1005 km (630 miles) WNW of JUNEAU, Alaska

I recall reading somewhere in the last month, a prediction that a very major devastating quake on the West Coast or the Pacific would occur shortly after a moderate quake in Alaska or just south of Alaska.

REPOST TO THIS THREAD--PROPHETIC WARNING (1):

[TO MY MIND, the PROPHETIC WARNING (2) from a different source with different dream and vision components is more sobering. I'll post it shortly.]

WARNING, RULERS OF THE EARTH *

by Lou Engle

http://elijahrevolution.com/er2

Warning Rulers of the Earth

I recently had what I believe is a profound prophetic experience. I was preaching in an African American church in San Francisco when a tall man and his entourage entered the room. With every eye on him, he made his way to the front row and sat down. I did not know who he was, but after I finished preaching, the pastor introduced him as the mayor of San Francisco! He then asked me to pray for him.

The Spirit of the Lord stirred me with conviction and agitation as I stretched out my hand to him and prayed forcefully, "God, I thank you that all earthly government is derived from your heavenly government. Therefore, let this man know that he will be held accountable for everything he does in this city under the government of God. In Jesus' name. Amen."

Three weeks later, this same man, Gavin Newsome, mayor of San Francisco, was on the front page of every newspaper in America, having ignited the same sex marriage firestorm in America by instructing city clerks to issue gay marriage licenses.

Sent to Warn Our Leaders As I pondered this amazing 'coincidence', God gripped me with the conviction that He had sent me to warn this man in the spirit of Psalm 2:10, "Therefore, you kings, be wise, be warned you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way."

This warning was not for Mayor Newsome alone, but prophetically represents leaders and politicians everywhere. I believe it is a prophetic picture of the Church's role in this hour; to stand for righteousness and justice and to soberly warn those in authority who would pass laws that hold the Law of God in contempt. The same-sex marriage issue transcends political differences and touches on the very foundations of society.

A Clash of World Views

In this confrontation, I felt that God was thrusting me again, as in 2000, into the spiritual and cultural battle for our nation. These upcoming elections are not about the war or the economy, but about the titanic clash of worldviews - one which can still call evil 'evil' and good 'good' because it is founded on a biblical worldview espoused by our forefathers - and the other based on relativity, where ethics are vague and absolute truth does not exist.

Let us be very clear on this: God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat. He stands alone, above all governments of men, unmoved by the raging sea of history. He judges nations, and He does not ask kings and presidents for their opinion. Instead, He holds them accountable to carry out His unchanging Law lest they come under His wrath, as Psalms 2 reminds us.

God instituted human government to bring order to society and to restrain violence. Romans 13: 3-4 tells us, the government should hold no terror for the blameless, since it bears the sword to punish evildoers. However, when governments become renegade, they cross their own boundaries and use that sword against the innocent. Through legalized abortion, over 40 million American babies have been terrorized in the womb since 1973. Yet the church still votes for those who sanction this atrocity!

Through our votes, we are guilty before God of making alliances with governments whose laws enshrine evil, particularly the evil of shedding innocent blood, the ultimate moral offense.

America at the Crossroads

In a few short months, America will vote again and the stakes are even higher this time. The outcome of this election will shape America's judicial future for decades to come. The next President of the United States of America will almost certainly decide the fate of legalized abortion and whether millions of innocent lives will continue to be taken 'legally' in our country.

Chief Justice Rehnquist, appointed 32 years ago by Nixon, is now 80. Justice Stevens, a liberal, is 84 years old. Justices O'Connor and Ginsburg are 74 and 71 years old, respectively. Any of these pro-choice Justices could vacate their seats during the next 4 years, due to illness, death or retirement.

In 2000, in Stenberg v. Carhart, the U.S. Supreme Court - by a narrow 5-4 vote - struck down a Nebraska abortion ban. This five-member pro-choice majority would be overthrown by the appointment of just one new Justice, potentially by the next president!

In January 2004, we officially closed The Call offices, having fulfilled our mandate from the Lord for that season. However, our country and our leaders remain in desperate need of prayer, now more than ever. In fact, I believe that we are at a place of far greater crisis than we were in 2000. This is not hype or rhetoric, but a sober assessment of our national condition.

In the four short years since The Call DC, America has endured the horrors of 9/11 and fought two wars that continue to claim lives.

The nation and the church are buckling under an escalating spiritual and moral crisis, punctuated by events such as the removal of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse, the Catholic Church sex abuse scandals and the ordination of a practicing homosexual, given a place of prominence and spiritual authority within the Body of Christ as an Episcopal Bishop. Last month, Massachusetts (home state of Sen. John Kerry) became the first state in our nation's 200 year history to recognize homosexual marriage in bold defiance of the law of God.

Governmental House of Prayer

In light of these things, I am compelled, as never before, by the word the Lord spoke to me, "Raise up a House of Prayer that will contend with every other house."

Now is time for a House of Prayer that will contend for the government of our land!

We believe God is calling for 120 young Nazirites to come to Colorado Springs for 50 days of day and night worship and intercession. We're inviting thousands more to join them at this 24/7 Governmental House of Prayer at the Navigator's Facility from July 10 to August 28, 2004.

This will be no easy walk in the park.

It will be intense. Each student will be expected to give eight hours a day or night. Many will go on extended fasts. The night watches will be as important as the day battles.

I am asking for worship teams that can carry the fire of worship. There will be two-hour shifts for devotion and spiritual refreshing. Then we will follow the Lord again into the battle for the elections, for the courts of our nation and the overturning of Roe v. Wade, for a great youth awakening, for the ending of the Iraq war and for a powerful move of the Holy Spirit in the homosexual communities of America.

While many are convinced that George Bush somehow 'stole' that election, we believe it was the prayers of the church which ultimately decided the outcome of that struggle, as God intervened in human affairs in response to our intercession. Many ministries, including The Call DC, called for extended fasting and prayer during that time and perhaps as many as 1 million people went on a 21-day fast.

It is clear that this coming election will be just as bitterly fought and just as closely won by whomever triumphs.

I believe this is the hour for thousands of young people to come to Colorado Springs to shake the heavens over America for 50 days! Will you help us do this - through your prayers and by giving generously to this cause? Thank you in advance for joining us in this battle.

For Revival,

Lou Engle

http://elijahrevolution.com/er2/

* NOTE FROM PAM:
With our prayers to bring down government sanction of this promotion of abomination before God, we must also pray for the complete deliverance of those who are held captive. Many people who have struggled with these spirits have not felt free to share with others the battles they were in and for some, it has even led to suicide because they felt there was no way out. Some have gotten defiant because for them it was better than "going under."

There are sins for which when the door is opened, it can seem next to impossible to close it, except for the grace and powers of God. Some people have been victims of child molestation over which they had no control and this opened the door.

Some rebel just to rebel but some have been severely damaged. To just say "Get over it" to them is like telling a person without an arm to "Just grow out an arm!" It takes His special grace. God wants to heal us wholely. It's an area where we need compassion but also the resolution to stand for Truth, for we must please God. He will deliver. He is able.

HERE'S THE MORE SOBERING, to my mind, PROPHETIC WARNING (2) via PAM CLARK:

NOTE FROM PAM: We have invitations to the Kingdom and we have words and warnings about life conditions. Those sheep who hear His Voice will be led by His Spirit. Those who have an indifferent ear, and who do not seek to know the One who made them can find themselves without the protections they could have had if they had.

There are a number of words about the great outpourings coming and a number about the coming judgments. BOTH CAN BE TRUE [QX emphasis added]. These warnings are for believers to prepare as they listen for His Voice with a willing hearts to help others understand. Prophetic language is often symbolic but as well can be true image. Ninevah repented. Obedience and seeking Him makes a difference. God judges the heart. Like Stephen says here, the Lord has dealt with me also to give the full warnings.

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THE HEDGE OF PROTECTION IS BEING REMOVED

by Stephen Hanson

[addy removed. I think it's available at his site]

http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth

June 20, 2004

ISA 5:5 Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard:I will take away its hedge,and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled.

(I asked the Lord to tell me more about the coastline regions and the dangers that they might face in the near future. This is what He told me. I sought more answers and information based upon the word that He had given to me on Jun 17, 2004. I do not relish sending forth messages like this, but I believe that I am to be obedient to warn you. )

"The coastlines are far from Me and my desires. All who live in large metropolitan cities will be targeted soon. Remain in Me and I will remain in you. The branch cannot survive unless it is rooted into the tree. Many of you are far from Me. Because of your great sins and wayward ways, these things are coming. If I speak to you concerning your safety, then you should move. "

(The Lord showed me a picture of the state of California. I looked at it as if it were a 3-D layer of ground with its boundaries. I saw it waver from side to side and rock back and forth. I then saw ocean waves begin to spill over onto it as it rocked back and forth. It sank and then seemed to come back up again.)

(I then saw bomber planes drop bombs below onto the ground. Concentric circles, or waves, came forth then from this action below. I saw what looked like an arm or hand coming out of the water. Someone or others, were attempting to rescue or grab this arm out of the water. Eventually it came out and what I saw was the Statue of Liberty. It had evidently been hit and now people were attempting to help erect it again.)

"I tell you that many of the freedoms that America once had, will be lost. You were once a land of liberty and promise, but I tell you that you are far from Me. You think that you will always be safe and that the wall of protection is round about you. You are wrong. Are you safe from danger when you are far from Me? Have you gone to your prayer chambers and prayed about these things? I tell you that I have warned, and warned, and warned you. A foreign power will enter into your borders; and yet, I will protect my people, says the Lord. "

(This vision/word finished with one more scene. I saw the land of America from the air, and it had a net of some sort that had been placed on top of it. Now, I saw a great hand reach down and take this net that once had been secured on top of America and was now, taking it off. It had been pinned down in all directions, and had been safely fastened to the ground around it. I watched this great hand take the entire net and ropes that held it into place, and toss it away. I sensed that now the hedge of protection that had for many years, been safe upon our nation, was now being removed. )

AMERICA'S JUDGMENT (?)

(June 19th, 2001)

by Hollie L. Moody

[addy available, I think, from her site]

I experienced the following vision ~~

There was a tremendous mob of people. They were milling around. The noise was incredible. For some reason, I sensed that all these people were claiming to be Christians.

I heard some of the people preaching and prophesying. Whenever someone began to preach and / or prophesy, crowds of people would run over to this person and gather around them. Then, another person would begin to preach and / or prophesy, and large crowds of people would then run over to that other person to listen to them.

Soon, there was a tremendous confusion of sermons and words from the Lord being shouted out to the crowds of people. The whole scene was one of absolute chaos and confusion.

But suddenly, I heard a small whisper. Some of the other people appeared to hear the small whisper also. We began to follow the sound of this small whisper to its source. The source was the Lord.

He was standing out in a desert, wilderness scene. A small group of people were standing quietly and solemnly around the Lord. In contrast with the mob of people I had just left, this group of people was extremely quiet and silent. They were very intense and totally focused upon the Lord. They were looking off in the distance, as if waiting for more to join them.

I watched as the Lord began to hand out small, rolled-up scrolls to each person. As each person received a scroll, they would stand to the right of the Lord. Soon, each person had received a scroll.

"What is this scroll, Lord?" someone asked.

"It is a message from Me," the Lord replied. "I have given to those of My children who have heard My still, small voice a message to deliver. They each have their orders from Me, and know exactly who to take the message to, and what the message is. They are to go only to who I send them to, and speak only what I have told them to speak."

Immediately after I experienced this vision, the Lord instructed me to go and take a nap; that He was going to speak to me in a dream.

The Lord telling me He is going to speak to me in a dream has never happened to me before, so I tried this voice to see if it was really from the Lord or not. I went to take my nap, and before I fell asleep, the Lord spoke the following to me. He said ~~

"I will be speaking to you in visions and dreams, and you will not understand them. I will instruct you who to speak of them to. These people will know what to do with them, and what they mean. This is a time of many voices clamoring to be heard. Pay close attention to whose voice you do and do not listen to. Take heed to your soul."

I then fell asleep and had the following dream ~~

I was in a room. The walls of this room were covered with pictures of babies being born. I was going from picture to picture, studying each one. Each stage of labor was represented.

This was the whole dream. Upon awakening, I was extremely puzzled and perplexed by this dream.

The next day, I experienced another vision. This was a horrific vision to me, and I've held it inside for another day because of how truly horrible and frightening it was to me.

I saw an angel with a large scale step out of the portals of heaven. This was one of those old-fashioned type scale that has like a small bowl on each side. As one side is weighted, the other side goes up and vice versus.

This angel began to place weights upon first one side of the scale, then the other. When both sides were equally weighted, a voice called out, "Hold!" (I somehow knew this voice belonged to the Lord.)

There was a very intense waiting silence after this command was called out.

I then realized that I was way up in the heaves, looking down on the earth. My attention became directed and centered upon the United States. I saw like a shield in place around America. Angels were on the inside of the shield, bracing themselves against it.

I then saw hordes of demons on the other side of this shield, pushing frantically and furiously against their side of the shield. They were howling angrily. It terrified me.

I saw those with the small rolled-up scrolls running with their message from the Lord. They were weeping and wailing as they ran, and also as they delivered their message. After they delivered their message, they would fall flat on their faces and continue to wail and lament.

Many who were the recipients of these messages also fell flat on their faces after they received and read the message. I heard their cries of repentance echoing throughout America. (The dream about the babies being born came back to my mind at this point. What I was seeing in this portion of the vision made me think of a birthing of revival brought about through tears of repentance and godly sorrow.)

Others who received the message, threw it away in disgust and disdain after having read it.

My attention then became focused upon Washington, DC. (I was still way up in the heavens in this vision, looking down upon this scene.) Something was transpiring within the White House. I saw some sort of "waves" undulating out from within the White House. These waves had some sort of far-reaching repercussions.

When these waves came forth from within the White House, I heard the angels who were still pushing against the demons on their side of the shield begin to wail and keen. When the demons saw the waves emanating from within the White House, they began to scream with victory.

The angel with the scale put one more weight upon one side of the scale. One side of the scale hit the ground.

When this occurred, the shield around America fell down, and the demons streamed into America, howling and in a frenzy.

I heard a voice proclaim, and once again, I knew it to be the Lord's voice ~~

"America! America! How oft I sent My prophets to you, and you scorned and ignored them. How oft I revealed Myself in majesty and power to you. You enjoyed the power and majesty, yet not the cost of following Me.

"Your ground is soaked with the blood of the innocents, and how shall I ignore or overlook this when it continues daily to occur? Your streets overflow with degradation. Many of your churches reek with hypocrisy, and My sheep have been driven away and have been left to wander alone; where they have become meat and prey for the wolves.

"Yet, I would wipe out these sins, and blot out their remembrance; if you had only returned unto Me with all your heart. I have stayed My judgment for a season. I will stay it no longer. You have been weighed, and have been found wanting. I have no pleasure in your judgment, America. Prepare to meet your Maker."

I then watched scene after scene of carnage and terror befall America. I just don't want or desire to go into detail about it. My heart was breaking as I witnessed all of this, and I was myself filled with horror and terror.

I went into the bedroom of each of my three precious, wonderful little children. Tears of fear fell down my cheeks as I gazed down at each one of my sleeping children, wondering in my heart what would befall them. If some of these scenes I witnessed actually do come to pass, I know that one of my children at least, would not survive. She has need of special medical supplies for insulin dependent diabetes. These supplies would be extremely limited to impossible to locate or receive if any of this vision actually occurs in her lifetime.

I don't have a time frame for any of this. If I am mocked or ridiculed for sharing this vision, I accept that. Once again, let me repeat, I pray this vision is false or does not occur. I will continue to pray and intercede for my country, and for a spirit of repentance to sweep across the shores of America. Yet, part of me feels that judgment will only be stayed if such a spirit of repentance does occur. The judgment is set. Too much has occurred within the borders of America for there to be no reaping of what has been sown for centuries.

I love America. I love my country. I love being an American. I love the American flag and our national anthem, "The Star Spangled Banner."

I will continue to pray for a spirit of repentance to come upon my nation.

In Him,

~~ Hollie L. Moody

Deadly Sars virus found in tears

Scientists believe Sars is here to stay The deadly Sars virus has been found in tears, it has been announced.

Doctors in Singapore swabbed the tear ducts of 36 patients with suspected Sars in April 2003. Eight of these were later diagnosed with probable Sars. The doctors have now revealed that they found signs of Sars in the tears of three of these patients.

Writing in the British Journal of Ophthalmology, they said the findings suggest the virus could be transmitted through tears.

Infected thousands The highly infectious respiratory illness Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or Sars, first emerged in China's southern province of Guangdong in late 2002. It affected more than 8,000 people throughout 2003 in dozens of countries worldwide and claimed the lives of 774.

A much smaller outbreak occurred earlier this year. Many scientists believe the virus is here to stay. This may be a simple tool in identifying probably cases in future

Dr Seng Chee Loon

There is still no vaccine to protect against Sars and there is no specific cure, although existing drugs appear to work for some people.

Scientists are trying to develop a test which would enable doctors to diagnose the virus earlier.

Dr Seng Chee Loon and colleagues at Singapore's National University say analysing tear samples could be one way of spotting the virus. The three patients who had signs of Sars in their tear ducts were all believed to be in the early stages of infection. They had all been tested within nine days of their symptoms starting.

Early stages The remaining patients, who had no signs of the virus in their tears but were later diagnosed with probable Sars, were tested at least 11 days after the start of their symptoms.

The doctors suggested that Sars may only be present in the tear ducts in the early stages of the virus. Signs of other viruses, such as herpes, hepatitis and measles, have also been detected in tears.

The doctors are now planning to carry out further tests to see if analysing tears could be a way of spotting Sars.

"Even as the epidemic has died down, we are warned of future outbreaks.

"This may be a simple tool in identifying probably cases in future and prospective trials are being designed for this purpose," they wrote.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3819209.stm

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Subject: Pakistans Long-range Missile May Trigger Israeli Pre-emptive Strike

Pakistan's Long-Range Missile May Trigger Israeli Pre-Emptive Strike

Salt Lake Tribune

Late last month Pakistan's Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali watched a test-launch of the country's Ghauri missile, whose 930-mile range allows it to deliver nuclear warheads anywhere in India except Assam and the far south.

There was the usual communique saying that "The prime minister made it clear that Pakistan's edge over its adversaries will be maintained at all costs."

And then just a brief reference to the fact that some time this month will see the first test flight of Pakistan's longest-range missile, the Ghauri III missile, which can strike at targets 2,175 miles away.

Now, what target do you suppose that new missile is meant for? It can't be just India, because no part of India is much more than half that distance away from Pakistan. Time to get the atlas out. Okay, the Ghauri III can reach Thailand and Vietnam, but Pakistan has no quarrel with them. It can just about reach Beijing, but China is sort of an ally (at least in the sense that it also sees India as a strategic rival). So what could it be?

. Oh, look, it can reach Israel. Back in 1982, in Tel Aviv, I interviewed a man called Meir Pa'il. He was a left-wing member of the Knesset who had once served as a colonel on the Israeli general staff, and he told me a story. It was about Israel's nuclear weapons, which Israel never officially confirms that it has, and since he didn't want to end up in jail for 18 years like Mordechai Vanunu later did, he told his story carefully, without ever saying the magic words "nuclear weapons." But his meaning was absolutely clear.

The subject was hot, because just the previous year Israeli planes had flown all the way to Iraq in an unprovoked attack to destroy an experimental nuclear reactor, "Osirak," that was under construction there. Basically, it was an election stunt by Menachem Begin's Likud government, which was in the midst of a hard-fought re-election campaign and needed a patriotic boost.

The reactor could not produce weapons-grade material, and in any case Israeli intelligence must have known that Saddam Hussein was at least 10 years away from nuclear weapons. But the subject was on people's minds. Pa'il told me that in the late '50s, the Israeli government had been deciding to build a new weapon (which must remain anonymous) that would give it total strategic superiority in the region.

Like every member of the general staff, he had the right to demand a full conference to make his case to his colleagues if he thought that a serious mistake was being made. If they didn't agree with him, of course, his military career would be finished -- but he demanded the meeting anyway.

Pa'il argued that Israel was already militarily secure, and could not be beaten for the foreseeable future by any combination of Arab armies.

Perfectly true; in fact, it's still true today. So why, he asked, would any Israeli government take the lead in introducing a new weapon into the region which, if the Arabs eventually got it too, would negate Israel's existing military superiority and expose it to the danger of annihilation? Indeed,wouldn't Israel's possession of this weapon actually goad the Arabs into trying to match it?

They heard him out and rejected his argument, so he retired from the army and went into politics. Israel's nuclear weapons were duly built -- there are now at least 200 of them -- and for more than 40 years, Israel has gotten away with it. Pa'il's concern was reasonable, but he was wrong:

No Arab country except Iraq ever seriously tried to get a nuclear weapon, and even Saddam Hussein gave up when United Nations arms inspectors dismantled his whole program after his defeat in the Gulf war of 1991. Israel has been very lucky -- until now.

Pakistan's nuclear weapons were not built with Israel in mind, of course. They were a response to India's determined drive for nuclear weapons, partly because it felt vulnerable to China, partly just as a badge of great-power status.

It is not known if any colonel on the Indian general staff ever pointed out that India enjoyed unchallengeable military superiority over Pakistan -- six times the population and almost 10 times the economy -- UNLESS both sides acquired nuclear weapons, in which case both sides would be equally and totally vulnerable to destruction. If he did, nobody listened.

So India got nukes, and therefore Pakistan got them. Eventually, in 1998, India tested its weapons publicly, so Pakistan did, too. But long before that, both sides were already building missiles to deliver the nuclear weapons. India wanted a long-range one (because it thinks in terms of a nuclear conflict with China), so Pakistan's armed forces asked for a long-range missile, too.

Did the generals who asked for it know that it would put Israel within range of Pakistan's nuclear weapons? I don't know, but most generals can read maps.

Nobody's luck lasts forever: Israel will soon be vulnerable to a nuclear strike at last. The present Pakistani government would never consider such a thing, but if Islamist extremists should ever seize power there -- well, Pakistan is very vulnerable to an Israeli pre-emptive nuclear strike, and Israel never lets the other side get in the first blow if it can help it.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jun/06212004/commenta/commenta.asp

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For another perspective . . .

[remember, both judgment and mercy can be true--judgment for ungodly, unblieving, lukewarm; mercy for those earnestly eager to walk with God.]

"I PLAN TO GIVE MOUTH TO MOUTH RESUSCITATION TO AMERICA ... AND KISS HER FACE AGAIN!"

by Bill Yount

Web:

http://www.billyount.com/

Email:

theshofarhasblown@juno.com

In the Spirit I saw hair-line cracks appearing on the marble floor of the White House!

As I saw these hair-line cracks begin to appear on the marble floor of the White House, I sensed the Lord speaking from Job 14:7, 8, 9. "For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will grow again, and that the tender branch (of government) thereof will not cease. Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground; Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant."

I sensed the Lord saying, "As Samson's hair began to grow again, so are the spiritual roots of this nation." As I saw the cracking of the floor increase, it was like the very foundation of deception and greed was beginning to be dismantled ... exposing the enemy! (The enemy is not a man but Satan.)

I said to the Lord, "What has caused these spiritual roots of your Spirit to begin to grow again at this time?" I sensed the Father saying, "I have collected in a bottle every tear that swelled up in every eye that mourned for My righteous son, President Ronald Reagan. The day that 'tall tree' (President Ronald Reagan) fell, followed by days of mourning, those tears in My bottle were poured out over America causing her roots of righteousness to begin to spring forth in the land. Up here, we have always known him as 'Righteous Ronald'!"

'Paramedic Angels'

In the Spirit I saw what appeared to be 'paramedic angels'
dispatched, dropping from the heavens as in parachutes, landing on the front lawn of the White House. It seemed that those grass roots of righteousness that began to crack the White House floor had set off an alarm in hell, summoning these angels with urgency to surround the White House.

I saw multitudes of other angels descending upon and filling up the mall of the nation's capitol. I saw that these were Second Chronicles 7:14, 15, 16 angels who had the scripture written all over them..."If My people who are called by My name shall humble themselves and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (15) Now Mine eyes shall be open, and Mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. (16) For now have I chosen and sanctified this House, that My name may be there for ever: and Mine eyes and Mine heart shall be there perpetually."

Warring on [based on the call from] Corporate Prayer

These 'Second Chronicles' angels seemed to have had assignments throughout the ages to descend upon nations that were in critical time frames where a nation seemed to be hanging in the balance of going either way. These angels warred solely and strictly on 'corporate prayer' only! I sensed they had come to Washington, D.C., but now were given orders to wait on the rising tide of 'corporate prayer' from the heart of America.

Some certain angels were released into war for a nation only through tears...nothing else moved these ones. Not even prayer, unless tears were mixed with them.

I asked the Lord, "Father, why 'paramedic angels'? I have never heard of them." I sensed He responded, "I plan to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to America and kiss her face again!"

"Oh America...is that a prayer on your lips that I hear... and is that a tear in your eye?"

by Bill Yount
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http://www.billyount.com/

Email:

theshofarhasblown@juno.com

INTERESTING DOC RE CASTRO, HIS CANCER AND HIS REQUEST FOR PRAYER AS WELL AS HIS INTEREST IN NATIVE AMERICAN'S REASONS FOR BECOMING CHRISTIANS:

FIDEL CASTRO HAS CANCER [interesting prayer request ....

please read....Prayer team requested by Castro....hmm]:

From:

[Qx deleted email for Janet's privacy & safety--available on request by those I know] (Janet Marr)

Please pray for Jay and Joan Swallow along with Negiel Big Pond and his wife. They are leaving for Cuba this Wednesday to meet with Fidel Castro, by the request of Castro.

They will be returning on June 29th.

Castro has cancer at this time.

His daughter and son-in-law are christians. Fidel wants to talk to Native Americans to see why they have become Christians. He wants to know why they have chosen to believe in the religion of "white people" who have had a history of murder and agression against Native Americans.

There will be 40 intercessors travelling with the team who will need prayer covering also.

Please pray for their safety as well as protection on family and friends who are at home.

Please pray for what Jay and Negiel will be speaking with Fidel about and ask for God to bless and lead their conversations.

Also remember to lift Cuba, the country, in prayer too!Fidel has been in power since 1959 when he led a revolution that overthrew the government of dictator, Fulgencio Batiista y Zaldivar.

The Cuban Constitution which was adopted in 1976 states that Cuba is a socialist state. It is governed by a single political party, the Partido Comunista de Cuba (Communist Party of Cuba), also known as the PPC.

Until the 1990's membership in the PPC was highly restricted, for example people who attended religious services were barred from membership.

In the 1990's however, the party began to expand 'its membership and started allowing churchgoers to join.

The PPC also sought to attract greater numbers of young people, women, and Cubans of African descent.

Fidel Castro's illness may bring turmoil to the country. Other people may attempt to gain control, so please keep the peace of Cuba as a country in mind while you pray along with its relations with other countries. I would ask that you send this email on to other intercessory groups that you know of, and also bring it to any prayer groups that you are attending to lift it up at this time.

Blessings.
Janet Marr

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