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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: LucyT

New entry at Israeli Insider re FactCheck’s latest hysterical proffer:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

They do a pretty good fisking. “Fisking” — there’s a word AjStrata throws around like a banana cream pie on a Three Stooges set.


5,361 posted on 08/24/2008 10:15:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: FARS

Thank you.


5,362 posted on 08/24/2008 10:18:11 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw; Calpernia; Kevmo; null and void; pissant; george76; Polarik; Beckwith; David; PhilDragoo; ...

Thank you, bvw.

Pinging everyone for an update.


5,363 posted on 08/24/2008 10:29:19 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver....is anyone's guess....August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: BIGLOOK

BIGLOOK, Since that posting to you I have read that the “151” is the state code for Hawaii.

Obama’s alleged cert shows “151 1961-010641”. It encodes the state (151 is Hawaii), the birth year (1961), and remaining number may be a serialization of the filing of a birth record within a year.

Based on births for Hawaii in 1961 according to US Vital Statistics, there were 17578 births in Hawaii in 1961. Assuming they are equally distributed per day, the 10641 corresponds to August 8th. Obama claims to have been born on the 4th, and his birth announcement is printed in local papers on the 13th, so it is likely the 10641 number is the serial number of when the birth was recorded in 1961 in Hawaii.

Would your son’s cert # match to that theory that the last sequence of digits is a serial number? US vital stats are found at

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/vsus/vsus.htm


5,364 posted on 08/24/2008 10:31:17 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw; LucyT; Polarik

It was a good job of fisking. I might add that Polarik did a more technical fisking.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx


5,365 posted on 08/24/2008 10:32:40 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: bvw
Not a bad theory, bvw....but over here there's a little competition for having the first child born on January 1st, New Years Day. That alone disrupts the pattern.

I don't know whether he was born here; the CoLB originally published on the web was bogus, since there was no embossed seal and no Registrar's signature. Now if there's a new copy proffered, I still consider it suspect. When asking the state for another, you get a 6"X8" reproduction of the Registrar's file, which is also embossed with the seal and signed by the current Registrar. My son traveled to the Philippines this year and that's what he submitted to the Pass Port control to obtain a pass port.

I think the original certificate is a one time deal, copies are file copies.
5,366 posted on 08/24/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: pissant; Polarik

I’m hoping some graphic artist will take the side-angled shots of the new FactCheck CoLB images, map them flat using a graphic trapezoid remap tool and lay that down on the older FactCheck image, and also on the older Kos image. What you have is three trapezoid to cut out, rectangularize and lay as a transparency or merge over the older flat-scanned image.


5,367 posted on 08/24/2008 10:54:28 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BIGLOOK
A decent forger of official documents knows enough when encountering a numeric field that he'd best dope out the field coding rather than just throwing some random digits down. So that fact that the proffered cert number matches to the birth date is not necessarily a proof.

Confusingly, the FactCheck site claims that the certificate number is "meaningless". Well, evidently it is not meaningless, the cert numbers are state code, birth year, serial number of birth record. That is the coding almost certainly, so it seems to me.

5,368 posted on 08/24/2008 11:02:13 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
This article lends support to my theory of a Democratically lead snipe hunt.
If the embedded graphical information is correct, it means that FactCheck is lying about doing the photo session "recently" and may be lying about much more, since it would be implausible that "FactCheck" was even checking facts about the birth certificate in March 2008.
Why indeed? The Obama campaign wanted the right wing blogosphere to run with this story. They were laying the groundwork back in March, even before the controversy had errupted.
Why, then, did it take the campaign ten weeks to produce photos that show the missing seal, signature block and deep fold marks, so deep that they disrupt some letters and print of the seal? What changed between June 12 and August 21?
So the conservative blogosphere would stay busy for awhile.
Then there is the issue of the redacted file number which for the last ten plus weeks has been blacked out .
To add more support for the conspiracy theorists.
That's odd. The "rush" to release the document? Who exactly was rushing them?
There was no rush. They wanted to post the redacted image.
Despite the points scored by the Obama campaign in gaining high level media coverage for a favorable puff piece ...
By design and laying the groundwork to continually discredit the conservative blogosphere when they make charges in the future.
That question, it now seems, will need to be answered in federal court.
Where they already know they will definitively prevail. They wanted a controversy that they could clearly end when the time came. Note that it is a Democrat who filed this suit. One who would absolutely love being included in a real conspiracy. They want to end this summer tempest before people really start paying attention to the campaign this fall.

One additional piece. Why did Bill Clinton make his little offhand remark about Obama being "Constitutionally eligible"? Cleverly phrased to add fuel to the controversy without actually making a charge. He's always been clever with words.

Why did TexasDarlin close up shop right before one of the biggest events that could support the PUMA "cause"? Hillary taking the nomination at the last minute would be a historic event. Assuming she is working to make it happen she would want to give the blow by blow account about how her efforts make it happen. Lot's of bloggers will be blogging from the convention. Most hotels have wireless internet these days. It's not like it would be a difficult task.

As I have posted before, most if not all charges supporting legal ineligibility, even if true, are not supported by US law or the Constitution.

It's a theory and ought to give pause to those who want to make a difference in this election. Those that think the Democrats are that dumb do so at their peril. If it's too good to be true it probably is.

5,369 posted on 08/24/2008 12:13:25 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: bvw
10641 number is the serial number

It IS the serial number. It references the COLB for the 10,641st child born in 1961. That it also calculates out to the beginning of August is incidental.
5,370 posted on 08/24/2008 12:28:36 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: bvw
Obama’s alleged cert shows “151 1961-010641”. It encodes the state (151 is Hawaii), the birth year (1961), and remaining number may be a serialization of the filing of a birth record within a year.

Based on births for Hawaii in 1961 according to US Vital Statistics, there were 17578 births in Hawaii in 1961. Assuming they are equally distributed per day, the 10641 corresponds to August 8th. Obama claims to have been born on the 4th, and his birth announcement is printed in local papers on the 13th, so it is likely the 10641 number is the serial number of when the birth was recorded in 1961 in Hawaii.

It's really better than that. Unless you believe the August 8 filing date was just picked out of the air which as you know, I believe that is in fact likely the date of a real filing, the 10641 number is arithmetically perfect. If you had access to the records, you did exactly the calculation you did--you go to the records to which your political supporters have access with that number, asking who really has that number; you look the person up and find he is dead so you appropriate his number, knowing that he is not in a position to find out and complain. You were prepared to pick the closest number you could find where the real person was no longer available; but you were able to clear the perfect number and used that.

5,371 posted on 08/24/2008 1:38:43 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
I'll take Texas Darlin at her word -- she shut down her blog when it was time to pack to go to Denver. In recent days her blog had become highly active, and since she was the one and only moderator, it would have worn her out.

The only "conspiracy" I see in this is the one between The Hawaiian Department of State and Obama. Why? The statements about the certificate number. There was no reason for it to be blacked out, yet Janice Okubo said "The thing that's redacted is just our file number. Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system."

If she did not know why they blacked it out she could have said so. Instead she covered for it. She also said about the original posting of a certificate image on KOS/FTS that (assuming that is what the The St Petersburg Times Polifact website sent her) "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate." Which itself is a strange wording, in context. She could have said, "Yes, that's the certificate we issued," and she could have strengthened her statement by saying -- "And the information on the image is accurate according to what records we have."

These loose statements might be chalked up to incompetence, but when she made up the excuse for the blacked out certificate number, that suggests a possible conspiracy to defraud the public.

5,372 posted on 08/24/2008 1:38:58 PM PDT by bvw
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To: David

To an extent that theory of the invention of a serial number can be inspected to more detail. Since we now have the birth announcements from the same theoretical weekly report from the States Records office to the newspapers of record, we — or a investigator or prosecutor — could get the Cert numbers from all others on that list and see where 10641 falls among them.


5,373 posted on 08/24/2008 1:43:23 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Beckwith
Just to be sure, it looks like a serial number since it makes sense that it would be, record keeping wise. A serial number on such records is a standard and common process. And it is at roughly at least 90% probable from inference of the coincidence of the number with the given birth date and births for HI that year, yet this is a guess and not direct knowledge of the process in Hawaii at the time.

Are you saying that this is a birth order serial number based upon direct or documented knowledge of the official Hawaiian process at the time, in August 1961?

5,374 posted on 08/24/2008 1:51:50 PM PDT by bvw
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
You are so right. This is such a wacko conspiracy driven stupid snipe hunt.

Has anyone in authority over heard of this “Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist.”

5,375 posted on 08/24/2008 1:54:35 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26
This is such a wacko conspiracy driven stupid snipe hunt

Indeed!

And it's great fun too!

5,376 posted on 08/24/2008 1:57:49 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
I'll take Texas Darlin at her word -- she shut down her blog when it was time to pack to go to Denver. In recent days her blog had become highly active, and since she was the one and only moderator, it would have worn her out.
Could be. I can see it either way. But taken together with the other points it does seem suspicious.
The only "conspiracy" I see in this is the one between The Hawaiian Department of State and Obama. Why?
What are they conspiring to do? Hide inconvenient facts or neuter the opposition?
These loose statements might be chalked up to incompetence, but when she made up the excuse for the blacked out certificate number, that suggests a possible conspiracy to defraud the public.
Could be some of both.

There's no doubt that statement is nonsense. Under my theory it doesn't matter if she convinced anyone who is following this issue or not. In fact it would be better if she didn't. The court with a definitive answer is what they are looking for.

5,377 posted on 08/24/2008 2:01:25 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

Court proceedings with the power to enforce penalties for perjury, impeaching witnesses and misprision of felony, along with the power to subpoena can be helpful. Still, they are not perfect. A general public vigilance often uncovers what can be hid from the highly regulated evidence gathering process of a court.


5,378 posted on 08/24/2008 2:16:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
The purpose of a wide democratic snipe hunt is to try and shine lights in those places regular investigations would miss because of preconceptions, politics, or prudishness.

So yes, ideally such broad public vigilance will have aspects of a snipe hunt.

(Just to note: What we do want to avoid is witch hunts.)

5,379 posted on 08/24/2008 2:34:00 PM PDT by bvw
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
This article lends support to my theory of a Democratically lead snipe hunt.

Yes, the EXIF data showing the photos actually taken last March, together with implied claim of recency, pretty much proves FactCheck is in bed with the Obama campaign. Oh, they'll say the camera clock was set wrong. But in truth, they are having a good chuckle at our expense.

Why did TexasDarlin close up shop right before one of the biggest events that could support the PUMA "cause"? Hillary taking the nomination at the last minute would be a historic event. Assuming she is working to make it happen she would want to give the blow by blow account about how her efforts make it happen. Lot's of bloggers will be blogging from the convention. Most hotels have wireless internet these days. It's not like it would be a difficult task.

I'd buy her excuse of not having the time to baby sit her blog right now. In any case, I don't think Hillary will steal the nomination. She's smart enough to know that, at this point, the fallout from such a move would be so severe as to guarantee defeat in November. No, she, Bill, and Chelsea are going to enjoy their moment in the sun and issue their pro forma call for party unity. They'll support Obama 1000% up through the election. They'll breath a silent sigh of relief when he crashes and burns (for reasons having nothing to do with birth certificates). Then it will be time to get ready for 2012.

5,380 posted on 08/24/2008 2:45:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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