Barack Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, is shown here with her husband, Konrad Ng, and their daughter, Suhaila.
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
(Excerpt) Read more at web.israelinsider.com ...
Can you make anything out of the data and number on that posted “birth certificate”?
Lori, who did the work on Texas D's site locating the newspaper article also had a post where she set out the Hawaii Health Department position on where the data came from--"the hospital".
I have never believed that. That might be the case today and it might be an enforceable position. However given the Hawaii statute about affidavit based certificates and other side types of procedures, you have no real ideal what the basis for the Hawaii filing was until you see the actual piece of paper.
I have assumed that Obama was born in Kenya, perhaps as late as August 4, 1961, perhaps a day or two earlier. As soon as possible, he and his mother got on a BOA airplane in Nairobi, through Glaskow to Vancouver B.C.; ground transportation to Seattle and Mercer Island; next day through Sea Tac to Hawaii; to file some kind of out-of-hospital birth notice with Department of health on 8 August.
The 1971 Maya birth record reflects a comparable kind of filing by someone who knew how to do it--to support a subsequent claim by Maya of U S Citizenship, perhaps. The number is important--if the middle numbers are 1971, that will be the alleged date of birth. The record would show that she was in fact born in 1970.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
thanks for the ping, just correcting your link...for the above...but I can’t find anything from July 27.
This is the one I like:
Barack was Born in 2 Hospitals, Sister Maya was Born Twice!
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/in-which-hospital-was-obama-born-pt-2/
http://i36.tinypic.com/20zsg20.jpg
BUT, there are also several references, such as this Wikipedia report, that say Maya Soertoro was born on Aug. 15, 1970.
Now, is it just a coincidence that there’s conflicting information about Ms. Soertoro’s birth, or is it additional evidence of the confusing manner with which Stanley Ann Dunham had her childrens’ births recorded?
As David suggested, sure looks like somebody was getting practiced in the arts.
..if you get away with it once, do it twice, like a criminal returning to the scene of the crime.
...for people who do everything they can to denigrate the American way of life, it’s interesting to see the lengths to which they will go to claim citizenship.
But we know what we are dealing with don’t we?
I wouldn't have used that term until I read Amity Shlaes' book -- The Forgotten Man, where she dedicates a chapter or so to the original group and the concept. They were all daffy, deluded and deluding. And very dangerous. Millions upon millions dead for their deluded mental imaginings.
And here cometh the Obama, the Hope of the World! Just a mere fellow citizen of the world. He believes their delusion and his, all bound as one -- circumstance of his birth and raising.
I'm no believer in the "anti-christ" as a concept or as a person. It is a sad-sack concept in my book.
But Obama, given only what we know so far -- he could be a Stalin and Hitler combined. He's no Mao. No Il Duce. But he does fall in the same family and childhood psychological model as both Stalin and Hitler.
I remember we were looking at multiple birth dates for Maya back in early July with Freedom of Speech Wins. Then, he seemed to have stop posting.
Interesting comment re birth ceremony-custom. The thread was moving so fast I must have missed it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/replies?c=2384
I do remember that post. I wonder what happened to Freedom of Speech Wins?
“But Obama, given only what we know so far — he could be a Stalin and Hitler combined. He’s no Mao. No Il Duce. But he does fall in the same family and childhood psychological model as both Stalin and Hitler.”
I’ve been thinking he fits the mould of mohammad - abandoned by his mother, cared for by an uncle, sexually assaulted as a young boy, told from a young age he was headed for great things;
Obama believed his father was an African Prince, called himself King Obama whilst still in school in Hawaii...his father probably told him the story of the caliphate in East Africa, when the territory was ruled by a despot who claimed to be the ‘mahdi’ -
From ‘The White Nile’ - The Moslem Revolt:
Mohammed Ahmed Ibn el-Sayyid Abdullah, the Mahdi, follows the true tradition of the warrior-priests of Islam. Like a sandstorm in the desert he appears, suddenly and inexplicably out of nowhere, and by some strange process of attraction generates an ever-increasing force as he goes along. Confused accounts were given of his origins: some said he came from a family of boat-builders on the Nile, others that he was the son of a poor religious teacher, others again that he was the descendand of a line of sheikhs. It was generally accepted, however, that he was born in the Dongola province in the North Sudan in 1844 (which would make him 37 years of age at this time), and that quite early in life he had achieved a local reputation for great sanctity and for a gift of oratory that was quite exceptional. His effects, it seemed, were obtained by an extra-ordinary personal magnetism.
“There was a strange splendour in his presence, an overwhelming passion in the torrent of his speech.’
He was a man possessed. Mohammed had promised that one of his descendants would one day appear and reanimate the faith, and Abdullah now declared, with an unshakable conviction, that he himself was that man...
Mohammed Ahmed Ibn el-Sayyid Abdullah’s bio sounds an awful lot like...Mohammed Baraka Hussein Obama.
<< On Texas Darlin thread Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem, PART 2 [REVISED] Amazonia seems to be saying there is a HI ColB for Maya from 1971. I haven’t heard that before. Anyone know?
Amazonia // July 27, 2008 at 9:18 pm
To miri,on July 26-08, at 11:33 pm.
Texasdarlin had a post on July 19-08 (BO was born in two hospitals, Sister Maya was born twice). It says there is a report that Maya was born in 1970, and another that she was born in 1971. Apparently Maya gave an interview to some magazine saying she was born in Java; but there is a copy of a Birth Certificate in the TD post showing a birth in Hawaii in 1971, AND that “birth certificate” has a NUMBER in it.
Can you make anything out of the data and number on that posted “birth certificate”? >>
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This is the item that Texasdarlin posted http://i36.tinypic.com/20zsg20.jpg
That is a screen shot from a public records listing at Ancestry.
It is not a birth record.
Per their notes -Ancestry’s public records’ index includes records from 1984 - current, from sources such as: ‘White pages, Directory assistance records , Marketing lists , Postal change-of-address forms, Public record filings , Historical residential records’
Note that on that record for Maya, that her age is given as 36, so it would be a record of some sort from 2007, where info about her age or/DOB was provided. Side note - that is the same address that had been listed for Madelyn in these records.
Hope that helps clarify ...
> ‘nother side note, here’s another listing that also seems to be Maya
Ancestry.com. Nevada Marriage Index
Name: Maya Kasandra Soetoro
Gender: Female
Spouse: Konrad Gar-Yeu Ng
Marriage Date: 21 Jan 2003
Marriage County: Clark
Officiant type: Religious celebrant
Recorded date: 23 Jan 2003
Recorded county: Clark
Book: 123
Page: D520068
Instrument number: 77201
Recall reading somewhere that Barry spoke at the wedding...
perhaps they had another ceremony somewhere
~kate
Yes, both Mohammed and Ibn el-Sayyid are good and apt childhood family dynamic models. Yet his childhood the similarity to Stalin is also strong. I may have overstated the case wrt/ Hitler though.
Barack Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, is shown here with her husband, Konrad Ng, and their daughter, Suhaila.
Herr Schickelgruber's fascination with islam came later. In Mein Kampf he refers to the koran, no doubt he had plenty of opportunities to study the matter whilst in the trenches in or whilst recovering after being affected by a gas attack during WW1.
In what he wrote he obviously admired islam, in WW2 muslims were recruited, he wrote that Christianity was too soft.
1931 Amin Al Husseini is founder and President of the World Islamic Congress. After WWII, it will actively shape the agenda of the Muslim world
TELL THE CHILDREN THE TRUTH GALLERY.LINK.
Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.
Amin Al Husseini Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division
And aside from having an admiration for islam in common, hitler and obama share something else;
Their auto-biographical writings provide us with a clue to the object of their hatred. With hitler no one took any notice...
I think the connecting link you would like here between socialist, Nazis, Islam and Iran is Ahmed Huber.
Ahmed Huber is a Swiss-German convert to Islam who traveled back and forth to Beirut to promote events. This is the same Huber who is a primary supporter of the NPD, the German neo-Nazi party that sent 4,000 of its members marching through Berlin’s historic Jewish neighborhood during a Sabbath.
It takes money, clout and coordination to get 4,000 people to march anywhere, and clearly, people like Huber have got all three. And his contacts stretch beyond Europe and the Middle East. In a televised interview, Huber spoke of his many lectures in the United States and boasted that because of his strong ties to American Islamic groups, he was given advance warning that something big was going to happen — well before 9/11. The wall behind him during his interview was filled with pictures of his heroes - including the Ayatollah Khomeini and Hitler.
Alias: Achmed Albert Friedrich Armand Huber
Linked to:
Nada Management Organization - the Nada Management Organization was blocked on suspicion that the firm had possible links to the September 11 attacks. No details were given about the amounts frozen or the banks concerned. The move comes after the United States asked Switzerland, Italy, Liechtenstein and the Bahamas to block all assets belonging to the Nada Management Organization, which was previously known as al-Taqwa. Two of the company’s bosses were detained by police for questioning in Lugano on Wednesday, as part of a coordinated operation by Switzerland, Italy and Liechtenstein.
Youssef Mustafa Nada and Ali Ghaleb Himmat were taken into custody after Italian police raided their homes on Wednesday in Campione Italia, a tiny Italian enclave in Switzerland, surrounded by canton Ticino. They were later released. Another Nada official, Ahmed Huber, was questioned about al-Taqwa’s activities by Swiss officials in Bern before being released. The Swiss federal prosecutor, Valentin Roschacher, said the investigation was likely to take several months. “We now have enough information to open an inquiry. We seized a lot of documentation on Wednesday, some of which is in Arabic, and it will take a long time to follow the paper trail.”
The US authorities say al-Taqwa is one of several informal cash exchanges - known as “hawalas” - which funnel millions of dollars to terrorists outside the traditional banking system.
Investigators suspect that hawalas also help terrorists acquire material and supplies by acting as front organizations. They believe bin Laden has made use of them to acquire and distribute funds.
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=900002
Nada Management, founded in 1987 under the name al-Taqwa, is one of the world’s largest financial institutions dedicated to Muslim clients and Islamic business activities. One elemental service these groups provide is the hawala exchange system, by which small amounts of money - usually less than $1,000 - are transferred to other hawala agencies around the world. A sum of money or valuable can be brought to a hawala agency in Europe, for example, where a phone call to a network office in the Middle East or Asia will free up a corresponding amount at the desired destination.
The transaction is almost immediate, based entirely on trust and requires no certification that might leave a paper trail. Western antiterror experts suspect such unregulated transactions allow millions of dollars to be funneled to Islamist groups engaged in terror.
thanks for all that, all driven by the same thing, hatred.
Hatred for the Jewish people. If you go back to the link, Tell The Children The Truth, and go to the page Where Are They Now, you will find a long list of Nazi’s that went to the Middle East and converted to islam.
The last line of my comment was;
“Their auto-biographical writings provide us with a clue to the object of their hatred. With hitler no one took any notice...”
obama’s hatred of white folks is there in his books, for all to see and the ‘white folks’ aren’t taking any notice either.
I suspect that is the reason some Freepers and political players are so reluctant to pursue this case. And so many are lawyers or have been around lawyers too much. It's not that Obama holds some secret card, it is their fear that he does.
In that profession it's a very natural fear. But it is NOT real outside of the courtroom. We are in wide-open discovery. Only the truth and the whole truth is desired. We are not interested in a outcome, only that people understand the basic issue -- what "natural born" meant and why the Founders used that specific term -- and what the facts and likelihoods are in re Obama.
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What ages have
Passed dear Grover
Cleveland?
>>>If you go back to the link, Tell The Children The Truth, and go to the page Where Are They Now, you will find a long list of Nazi’s that went to the Middle East and converted to islam.
I’m very familiar with those sites. We have a number of threads on them too. The archives were opened under G.W. Bush. I have a few threads here at FR that follow progress from them.
Obama is a socialist/marxist/add an -ist. They hate everyone. It is a mental illness.
I’m of the assumption that the fear card lies in the brothel bust (blackmail, extortion, video tape). It wasn’t just one brothel, it was a lifestyle. Those events from that brothel (and I use that word in a collective form) funneled money to their vote fraud.
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