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Smoking ban raises problems for nursing homes
Ft Wayne.com ^ | Sep. 24, 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 12:45:51 AM PDT by SheLion

Delaware County's ban on smoking in most work places has become a problem for some nursing homes, which are both work places for employees and homes for the residents.

The smoking ordinance does not prevent people from smoking in their homes, but it does ban smoking in most public buildings and work spaces.

If a nursing home bans smoking, they could lose federal funding for failing to comply with regulations, but if they allow smoking they could face fines or a lawsuit from the county health department, officials said.

Federal regulations state that if a nursing home changes its policy and bans smoking, it must create an appropriate area for current residents to continue smoking.

Robin Shackleford, a policy and research specialist for the Indiana Health Care Association, said nursing homes could jeopardize their Medicaid and Medicare funding if they follow the county's ban.

"This is not a health issue - it's a patients' rights issue," Shackleford said. "The facilities are caught in the middle of deciding which law to comply with."

To fix the problem, Delaware County commissioners have introduced an ordinance to exempt nursing homes from the smoking ban. But two of the three commissioners say they don't plan to approve the exemption when final action is taken on Oct. 2.

Commissioner Larry Crouch said smoking should not be allowed in nursing homes.

"How many people are in these nursing homes because of a smoking habit?" Crouch asked.


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To: paulat; Admin Moderator
Morons on this thread who say they are "keeping lists" could hinder the free exchange of ideas.

And YOU are calling ME a MORON???

121 posted on 09/26/2006 8:38:31 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

We need to form a committee, to determine whether or not you need such a list, how you might possibly use such a list, and ultimately whether or not you should even be allowed to have such a list. If we determine that you are allowed to have such a list, we will at least need to regulate it. Please submit your list to the nearest List Police for evaluation.


122 posted on 09/26/2006 8:39:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: paulat
The people most paranoid keeping lists!! The irony is exquisite!! As if there could be a rule...HAHA!!

For your information.............I keep a list of the anti-smokers in Free Republic so I can tell at a glance the trouble we will can look forward to.

Got a problem with that?

123 posted on 09/26/2006 8:42:47 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
Hi, sweetie...read the whole post:

Morons on this thread who say they are "keeping lists" could hinder the free exchange of ideas.

I use the term "morons" with restraint. :)

124 posted on 09/26/2006 8:42:56 PM PDT by paulat
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To: SheLion

Incredible.

They have no problem taking our tax $$$s when we buy cigarettes, but yet we are made to look like criminals for smoking.

How hypocritical.


125 posted on 09/26/2006 8:43:58 PM PDT by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!)
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To: BykrBayb
We need to form a committee, to determine whether or not you need such a list, how you might possibly use such a list, and ultimately whether or not you should even be allowed to have such a list. If we determine that you are allowed to have such a list, we will at least need to regulate it. Please submit your list to the nearest List Police for evaluation. As if there could be a rule...HAHA!!

I keep a list of the anti-smokers in Free Republic so I can tell at a glance the trouble we will can look forward to.

126 posted on 09/26/2006 8:44:33 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
For your information.............I keep a list of the anti-smokers in Free Republic so I can tell at a glance the trouble we will can look forward to.

Got a problem with that?

Yep...every single post I have ever posted has been for smokers' rights. I think you have the right to smoke and stink and make other people miserable and unhealthy. I dare you to find a single post of mine that didn't defend your right to do the above.

127 posted on 09/26/2006 8:45:51 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat
Morons on this thread who say they are "keeping lists" could hinder the free exchange of ideas.

I use the term "morons" with restraint. :)

Well, no one ELSE is keeping a list, so you HAVE to mean me!

128 posted on 09/26/2006 8:46:12 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

You need a cigarette apparently I said I GENERALLY AVOID not that I can or have ALWAYS avoid such situations. Maybe I FIGURED it out after a number of occasions.

Geez, you are as testy as a Democrat. Can you really be that dense?


129 posted on 09/26/2006 8:47:14 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: paulat
Yep...every single post I have ever posted has been for smokers' rights. I think you have the right to smoke and stink and make other people miserable and unhealthy. I dare you to find a single post of mine that didn't defend your right to do the above.

You're insane.

130 posted on 09/26/2006 8:48:10 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Geez, you are as testy as a Democrat. Can you really be that dense?

Dense in what way?

You made my list btw!  haha

131 posted on 09/26/2006 8:49:45 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Raycpa

"A USA TODAY analysis of more than 100 fatal fires since 1999 in nursing homes, assisted-living facilities and senior housing shows that about 50% began with a cigarette."

Wow, 8.33333 fires a year referenced. There ought to be a federal mandate to eliminate this dangerous scurge on society. More bath tub drownings occur each year so we should also federally legislate the elimination of bath tubs.


132 posted on 09/27/2006 5:17:55 AM PDT by CSM ("When you stop lying about us, we'll stop telling the truth about you." No Truce With Kings)
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To: Raycpa

"Do you really think nursing home operators want to allow residents smoking?"

If they don't they are free to ban it in their own facilities. No law is required for them to exercise their property rights.


133 posted on 09/27/2006 5:25:11 AM PDT by CSM ("When you stop lying about us, we'll stop telling the truth about you." No Truce With Kings)
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To: paulat

Morons on this thread who say they are "keeping lists" could hinder the free exchange of ideas.


BNWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

Yeah, I wonder who's the paranoid moron.


134 posted on 09/27/2006 6:44:11 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: CSM

The nanny-boot lickers keep marching on.


135 posted on 09/27/2006 6:45:42 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: SheLion

My point was obvious for all but the deliberately obtuse.

A list of all who are not hysterical smokers?


136 posted on 09/27/2006 7:06:21 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
A list of all who are not hysterical smokers?

Just a list of the nasty anti-smokers we have in Free Republic.  The ones that just get ugly and won't debate.

There isn't a lot.  Just the ones that hate smokers and want to take away our rights.  So unlike a true Conservative.

137 posted on 09/27/2006 9:47:11 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Raycpa; SheLion

So is it a good trade to give up liberty and embolden a potentially tyrannical government to forestall a fractional probability of dying in a smoking related fire? Not in my mind. Remember, he who gives up liberty for safety deserves, and will get, neither.


138 posted on 09/27/2006 10:20:10 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: SheLion

I haven't said one word that is "nasty" about anyone.
No wonder you are loosing the fight to be able to blow smoke over anyone at anytime since you are so defensive you create enemies where there are none unless they bow to the God, Ciggie.

The more your foul habit is curbed the more hysterical you get.

I have no interest in debating this idiocy there is nothing on the otherside worth listening to. It is like debating someone about the right to own slaves.

You have no more "right" to smoke cigarettes than you do to smoke marijuana. And smoking is nothing conservatives advocate.


139 posted on 09/27/2006 10:56:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You have no more "right" to smoke cigarettes than you do to smoke marijuana.

Which is yet another problem. But keeping on point, you have no more right to make that post than I do to smoke cigarettes.

140 posted on 09/27/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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