Posted on 04/29/2022 5:25:20 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
“Yeah, I saw that ‘70 years Ukraine was ruled by the Soviet Union and the region was at virtual peace’ line and the thing that ran to my mind was “did they have a choice?””
I’ve learned Russian trolls are real.
To cros the nuclear threshold by a great power places whole populations at some degree of involved in and brings back the theoretical argument as to whether nuclear exchanges could be controlled. One favorable aspect is that the Cold War was a truly ideological conflict. The current evolving NaTO-Russian confrontation is much less of a true ideological conflict. Strategic nuclear strikes over Russian opposition to gay marriage and normalizing transgressive sex would to be taking things a bit far.
The bases for the NATO aircraft attempting to enforce a no-fly zone will be wearing hypersonic missiles.
No matter where they are at.
These NATO and neocon buffoons think they're going to get a repeat of pushing Serbia around.
They fight real good with other peoples' kids.
As the guys at the Duran always say - the neocons have no reverse gear.
They ALWAYS double and triple down, and after they create their mess and fail, they move on to the next plot, secure in their positions and buffoonery.
To compare combat with Russia with the Globo war with Serbia seems beyond even the level of delusion of the Beltway Masters of the Universe Wizards of Smart.
"Jake Sullivan"
"Antony Blinken" [WTF names their kid "Antony"??]
"Victoria Nuland"
Sorry Jane, but you are late to the party. I have posted links to the OSCE reports, the actual numbers of combatants and non-combatants killed on both sides, and rebutted that particular Russian propaganda talking point multiple times. So have some other FReepers.
And yet posters keep repeating that particular talking point.
Some of the people asking for links have actually seen the previous discussion. So here are some links on the topic so you can catch up:
The Ukranians killing 14,000 people debunked
More details on the topic, who really got killed and by whom in the Donbass fighting
More debunking of the Russian talking point
Here's that talking point again
A link to the OSCE reports for the same people asking for links tonight
Here comes the talking point again
A variation of the talking point - supposedly the Ukrainians always fired first
And here's another example of the talking point
Still debunking the talking point
Here's the talking point again
Another variation of the talking point
The claim that the Ukrainians killed 14,000 people in the Donbass war that started in 2014 is simply false, and is put out as a Russian propaganda talking point.
Anyone who did the simplest of research, even just reading the Wikipedia entry for links to sources would know that the deaths were mostly among soldiers in the Ukrainian, Russian, and DPR/LNR armed forces.
But the claim that the Ukraine shelled the Donbass and killed 14,000 people keeps getting posted here on FR, and defended by the people who post it. Even when they are shown they are wrong they persist.
Some of them seem to forget their talking point has been debunked many times already.
Ok, what is the number according to your sources and does it make a difference how many innocents were killed by the Ukrainian government? Isn't even 1 a war crime?
Half those events listed were those nations allied with Russia or inviting it in
Also where is your list of times Russia was invaded or attacked?
Nevertheless, none of it should be of any interest to Americans. This is Globo-Homo’s shooting war against another national unit that will not become a queertopian province of the Borderless World. As the turd world pours over southern non-border, the economic productive basis of the nation is shipped overseas and opiodope literally kills us why should any American without family ties care what happens in Ukeland? And you won’t have much of our already shredded freedom freezing or otherwise if Globo-Homo can complete attaching the shackle s of the globonian Borderless world to the US. But Americans will be privileged to have the opportunity to be mercenaries to preside over the empire of non=free trade and queerdom of the gobalist masterclass.
Is the neoKoolaid that good, freeandfreezing?
Where did you get that chaingun, robo?
Brutal.
Neoconneds like free have got more escape hatches in their "arguments" than a clinton.
If the number is 13,999 or 14,001, then he "wins" the argument .
His type is under no obligation to be reasonable in a "discussion". Lying by omission is SOP.
Awwww…you put a lot of time into that post…but, it’s the same Wikipoo, posted over and over.
You get an E, for effort, though.
It is well-known that ANYTHING political on Wikipedia is out-and-out lies, shaped and molded by the Lefty Official Narrative.
I guess you "forgot" to mention that little tidbit to the audience...
The number cited, which is around 14,000 represents the total number of people killed in the fighting in the Donbass region from 2014 until the cease fire there ended with the recent Russian invasion.
You can look at the details of the estimate on Wikipedia, based on sources like the UN and the Ukrainian government.
The majority of the people killed were soldiers fighting for the Ukrainian government, or the LNR/DNR militias, or the Russians fighting with the LNR/DNR militias.
According to the reports published by Wikipedia, about 3,404 civilians in the Ukraine and in the separatist controlled regions of Ukraine died in the fighting.
While some war crimes may have occurred, like the Russian shelling of a pre-agreed evacuation of unarmed Ukrainian soldiers, civilians on both sides primarily were killed by shelling of the villages and towns along the front lines by both sides.
The talking point we keep seeing here on Free Republic is that 14,000 citizens were killed by Ukrainian shelling which is simply a lie. The 14,000 refers to the total number of people killed in the fighting, of which around half were killed by the LNR/DNR/Russian forces firing upon Ukrainians that were not in the breakaway provinces. And of the 14,000 more than 10,000 were serving in military or armed paramilitary groups.
Trying to blame one side in a war and in particular the side which did not start the war for all of the deaths that resulted from the war is just a cheap propaganda technique, and a lie.
To answer your specific question if the killing of one civilian in a war is a war crime the answer is no, not if they were killed accidentally during combat operations.
Epic.
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S/he’s really good at linking to…..Wikipedia.
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Commander in Thief.
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