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Try, try and try again: why did modern humans take so long to settle in Europe?
Guardian UK ^ | 14 November 2021 | Robin McKie

Posted on 11/16/2021 7:53:41 PM PST by blueplum

...Neanderthals in Europe were one of the last hominin species to succumb, dying out around 39,000 years ago. However, recent studies – outlined at a meeting of the European Society for the study of Human Evolution earlier this year – have shown that this takeover by Homo sapiens was not straightforward. On several occasions, groups of early settlers perished as they moved into the continent...

...In one study, international researchers re-examined a partial skull and skeleton of a woman found in the Zlatý Kůň cave in the Czech Republic. Originally thought to have been 15,000 years old, this new analysis indicated it was probably at least 45,000 years old, making her one of the oldest members of Homo sapiens found in Europe. However, the study also found she shared no genetic continuity with modern Europeans.

Other sites where early modern human remains from around this period have been found include Peștera cu Oase in Romania and Bacho Kiro cave in Bulgaria. And again, neither has produced genetic profiles that left a significant trace in Europe.

The discovery of these lost outposts of modern human expansion suggests that Homo sapiens dispersed into Europe in pulses, and raises critical questions for scientists. In particular, why did modern humans’ later forays into Europe succeed when earlier ones failed?

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; europe; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; history; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; outofafrica
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To: blueplum

Netherlander chicks were easy.


21 posted on 11/17/2021 4:29:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: UNGN

The last Ice Age wasn’t as bad as the others.


22 posted on 11/17/2021 5:10:24 AM PST by Does so (DC: "The Chinese city on top of a hill".)
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To: Adder

Neanderthal lives matter.


23 posted on 11/17/2021 6:00:01 AM PST by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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To: PIF

I know of lots of evidence that homo sapiens are 200,000 to 300,000 years old. Other homo species are much older and some higher order ones reached well into Asia and even the south pacific.

I have never heard of homo sapiens being in the Americas earlier than 20,000 years ago. There are some that say they got here 13,000 years ago and others say 15,000.

I agree with everything you say except that there are sites in the Americas built by homo sapiens or homo anythings that are 100,000 years old or older. I have never seen that.

I do agree that there is a lot of guessing going on. And one thing we can be sure of, is that whatever we know today will be wrong in a decade.


24 posted on 11/17/2021 6:20:25 AM PST by poinq
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To: poinq

The guessing part is that the world of the Neanderthals had a much bigger land mass than today. It would be just silly to imagine that it was not occupied in Europe and the Mediterranean (when it was an inland lake), since it was occupied everywhere else in the world. Humans, and presumably Neanderthals, prefer lake shores, river mouths, and natural ocean harbors.

The Americas’ sites are documented in South American archeology, but ignored by American archeologists since it does not fit their consensus thinking ; the only American archeologist who dared to do against this zeitgeist was hounded out of the profession and ruined - I forget her name. That is why you never heard of it.

Some books to peruse :
Collins recounts current research and findings ;
Hancock does some original research and talks to people in the fields ;
Frank (despite the publisher’s catchy title) seems to raise some interesting questions particularly about what all those megalithic structures were used for (not astronomy).

America Before: The Key to Earth’s Lost Civilization - Hancock, Graham

Denisovan Origins: Hybrid Humans, Göbekli Tepe, and the Genesis of the Giants of Ancient America - Collins, Andrew

Gods of Eden: Egypt’s Lost Legacy and the Genesis of Civilisation - Collins, Andrew

Before Atlantis: 20 Million Years of Human and Pre-Human Cultures - Joseph, Frank


25 posted on 11/17/2021 6:52:45 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SteveH; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks SteveH.
...Neanderthals in Europe were one of the last hominin species to succumb, dying out around 39,000 years ago.
They didn't. They are the ancestors of much of the current population.

26 posted on 11/18/2021 9:51:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why did modern humans take so long to settle in Europe?

Europeans.........................


27 posted on 11/18/2021 9:57:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Modern humans? That’s the trash flooding in from various hellholes.


28 posted on 11/18/2021 10:19:31 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blueplum

Poor dentistry


29 posted on 11/18/2021 10:20:43 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My favorite word is Tweezer)
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To: SunkenCiv
***Try, try and try again: why did modern humans take so long to settle in Europe?***

High taxes and inept socialist governments... {Bloody Neanderthals!}

30 posted on 11/18/2021 3:31:19 PM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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