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DNA from Neandertal relative may shake up human family tree
Science Mag ^ | September 11, 2015 | Ann Gibbons

Posted on 09/13/2015 1:17:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

In a remarkable technical feat, researchers have sequenced DNA from fossils in Spain that are about 300,000 to 400,000 years old and have found an ancestor -- or close relative -- of Neandertals. The nuclear DNA, which is the oldest ever sequenced from a member of the human family, may push back the date for the origins of the distinct ancestors of Neandertals and modern humans, according to a presentation here yesterday at the fifth annual meeting of the European Society for the study of human evolution.

Ever since researchers first discovered thousands of bones and teeth from 28 individuals in the mid-1990s from Sima de los Huesos ("pit of bones"), a cave in the Atapuerca Mountains of Spain, they had noted that the fossils looked a lot like primitive Neandertals. The Sima people, who lived before Neandertals, were thought to have emerged in Europe. Yet their teeth, jaws, and large nasal cavities were among the traits that closely resembled those of Neandertals, according to a team led by paleontologist Juan-Luis Arsuaga of the Complutense University of Madrid. As a result, his team classified the fossils as members of Homo heidelbergensis, a species that lived about 600,000 to 250,000 years ago in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Many researchers have thought H. heidelbergensis gave rise to Neandertals and perhaps also to our species, H. sapiens, in the past 400,000 years or so.

But in 2013, the Sima fossils' identity suddenly became complicated when a study of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from one of the bones revealed that it did not resemble that of a Neandertal. Instead, it more closely matched the mtDNA of a Denisovan, an elusive type of extinct human discovered when its DNA was sequenced from a finger bone from Denisova Cave in Siberia.

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To: BenLurkin

Thanks!


61 posted on 09/13/2015 3:43:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I married a ginger and birthed a ginger. I deserve a medal.


62 posted on 09/13/2015 3:47:46 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Or disability. Because one is a CMH act of valor. I don’t think we have anything high enough to recognize dealing with two.

Truly uncommon valor ;)


63 posted on 09/13/2015 3:51:18 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Jocko Homo

They tell us that
We lost our tails, evolving up
From little snails
I say it’s all, just wind in sails

Are we not men?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

We’re pinheads now
We are not whole
We’re pinheads all
Jocko homo

Are we not men?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Are we not pins?
We are Devo

Monkey men all
In business suit
Teachers and critics
All dance the poot

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We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Are we not pins?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Jocko homo
Jocko homo
Jocko homo

We go now, God made man
But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan
We’re all here to prove it

I can walk like an ape, Talk like an ape
I can do what a monkey can do
God made man
But a monkey supplied the glue

Are we not men?
We are Devo
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We are Devo
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We must repeat
Okay, let’s go

Songwriters
MOTHERSBAUGH, MARK ALLEN


64 posted on 09/13/2015 3:52:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

Personally I think I’m just a Spudboy looking for that real tomato.


65 posted on 09/13/2015 3:54:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: Norm Lenhart

*laugh*.

When the ginger offspring misbehaves I let the ginger spouse handle that. There’s really not enough valium in this world for me to deal with that.


66 posted on 09/13/2015 3:55:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Norm Lenhart

But I have decided to encourage the ginger child to marry a ginger. And have lots of ginger babies. As revenge :P


67 posted on 09/13/2015 3:55:54 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: BenLurkin

Re: The pic in comment #8.

Looks like they’ve found the ancestor of Soccerus Hooligansus.


68 posted on 09/13/2015 3:57:24 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“What is the difference between a species and a race?”

I specie can be picked up off the ground, but a race has gotta be run.


69 posted on 09/13/2015 4:01:18 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Black Agnes

My friends used to call my wife “Taz”. At all of 4’10” she used to give them serious abuse when they got her wound up...which they used to do on purpose... Which they usually regretted.

My friends were 6’ 250 pound plus Adirondack lumberjacks.

I feel your pain. In fact, I still feel a lot of pain 20 years later from helping them do it. And I can say all kidding aside, In my seriously misspent youth, I never got hit as hard by any man as hard that little tazmainian devil clocked me ;)


70 posted on 09/13/2015 4:01:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Too funny.

My inlaws do the same thing with my ginger offspring. And leave me to deal with the pain.

They’ll get theirs one day...

Hubby was legendary. His mom was at the school at least once a week for ‘fighting’. I’ve seen him take on 3 or 4 in a bar brawl. And win.


71 posted on 09/13/2015 4:10:14 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SunkenCiv

Any knowledge on the DNA mix of the Ainu?


72 posted on 09/13/2015 4:10:19 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: BenLurkin; elcid1970

That picture looks astoundingly similar to some faces I have seen, the hair and eyes look the same as any modern day person with red or reddish hair and light eyes. The nose shape does not seem to go with the hair and eyes but I have seen plenty of people with a nose like that. Hollywood would make that girl look like a beauty queen. That is vastly different from the depictions of Neanderthals that I used to see. The old images looked far, far more apelike with pronounced brow ridges and a protruding jaw.


73 posted on 09/13/2015 4:16:05 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: HomerBohn

Where did you get my high school portrait???


74 posted on 09/13/2015 4:16:40 PM PDT by 22202NOVA (No more pencils! No more books! No more teacher's dirty looks!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
And I can say all kidding aside, In my seriously misspent youth, I never got hit as hard by any man as hard that little tazmainian devil clocked me ;)

Aw, God love ya!

My ol' pa lived about as rough and gutsy a life (commercial fishing) as there is. Fear takes a back seat most of the time with those kinds of guys. Thank God it does in all brave men. But my mom ... he loved my mom fer sher, but she was the only thing I can think of that scared him!

75 posted on 09/13/2015 4:19:06 PM PDT by Finny (Be ready to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is imaginary.)
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To: SunkenCiv

76 posted on 09/13/2015 4:26:05 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: VerySadAmerican

Dinosaurs persisted for 150 MILLION years.

Homo? About 1-1.5 MILLION years.


77 posted on 09/13/2015 4:27:23 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Black Agnes

Sounds like my brother in law. Except he was a total idiot. Fireplug Irishman. You can guess the rest. Just add alcohol.

The daughter unit ended up blonde after her first two weeks of life as a redhead. Dunno how that works but it did... is saddled with German on her fathers side and Irish on her mothers.

I cannot for the life of me why she ended up an alpha ...


78 posted on 09/13/2015 4:28:34 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: Finny

No joke. I have seen my share of bar ceilings (from the floor’s perspective) by some big drunk farmboy/lumberjacks. None of them ever made me think twice about getting up.

She hit harder. You learn ;)


79 posted on 09/13/2015 4:33:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I was suspicious of the offspring when I noticed the copper colored eyebrows after cleaned up and returned to me at birth. Birth hair was some nondescript brown. All fell out and here came the ginger business.

Hubby’s hair was the same color as the fair lady in this pic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edmund_blair_leighton_accolade.jpg

Sadly, now it’s just gray.


80 posted on 09/13/2015 4:36:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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