Alamo : Davy Crockett's defiant stand at the Alamo 'lasted just 20 minutes', claim historians

Daily Mail ^ | 08/16/2011 | Mail Foreign Service

[SeekAndFind]

The legend of Davy Crockett, the buckskin-clad 'King of the Wild Frontier,' has been cast into doubt by new claims that his fabled last stand at the Alamo may have only lasted 20 minutes.

For 175 years, the Battle of the Alamo has been one of America's most cherished historical events. Celebrated in song, story and cinema, the story of heroism against all the odds helped define the young nation's pursuit of liberty.

But, according to a new book, the brave last stand depicted by Hollywood stars like John Wayne was a myth. In reality, author Phillip Thomas Tucker claimed many of the Americans who died at the Alamo were cut down as they tried to escape from the besieged garrison after a surprise pre-dawn attack.

The 'last stand' at the Alamo on March 6, 1836 came after a small band of Americans held out for 13 days against the army of Mexican dictator General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.

The leaders of the group included Crockett, already famous as a frontiersman, storyteller and crack shot, and James Bowie, known for his distinctive knife.

It has long been part of the Alamo legend that Crockett died fighting.

The legend was firmly established by the 1955 Disney TV show in which the hero was seen swinging an empty rifle as the hordes of Mexican soldiers closed in for the kill. But in his book, 'Exodus from the Alamo,' Dr Tucker painted a much less glamorous ending.

Using recently discovered Mexican accounts of the battle, the historian wrote that the defenders of the Alamo in the war for Texan independence did not die defending their garrison under brilliant sunlight.

[The Working Man]

I’ve played most of the Avalon Hill War Games that are available. Those are the ones I am most familiar with as Board Games.

I like the Strategic War Games more than the Tactical ones. Although PanzerBlitz and Squad Leader were particular favorites. And what I do remember of the Alamo was from a History project where I made a mock-up of the Alamo and followed the battle on it for the course. Way back in the 60’s. Got a A+ too.

The real ones were while I was in the Service. And I chose a Sea-going one rather than a land based one. Something about food and lodging being more readily available ;-)

[BenKenobi]

Interesting. I’ve played Victoria, and have yet to finish a world conquest as Texas. I’ve got one game where TX controls Japan and Korea, central Italy, Haiti, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley.

The hard part is navigating that position as the 6th greatest military power in the world to defeat all my enemies.

I have the 4th greatest empire in the game by population, less than Britain, China or Russsia. My military is 6th, though still only half as strong as the United States.

I just conquered Japan. My enemies include the United States, Austria, Sardinia, and the Two Sicilies.

My goal right now is to pay down debt and incorporate my Far East empire. But I don’t think I’m going to be able to do that as Austria and Sicily want their territories back.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

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[SuzyQue]

That’s an amazing compilation!

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.texasreader.com/the-many-deaths-of-davy-crockett.html

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/adp/archives/delapena/lind_crisp/lind.html

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/adp/archives/delapena/lind_crisp/crisp.html

[SunkenCiv]