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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: Marie

I can remember the Mormon candy, honey and powdered milk it turned up first as a way to use the stored foods.

It was so simple, peanut butter and powdered milk and the honey or powdered sugar.

Then I saw it called Mormon candy, said that the Missionaries often made it when they needed a sweet, from their supplies.

Lots more recipes:

http://www.google.com/search?q=peanut+butter+powdered+milk+candy&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=q1k&sa=2


9,741 posted on 07/17/2009 3:29:45 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I love kohlrabi! There is a giant kohlrabi that stays very crisp and sweet even with massive size, but I don’t remember the name. A few years ago, my mother peeled them, sliced them into thick stalks, and made refrigerator pickles with them. Yum!!!

They are best raw, wonderful pickled, and really good stir fried in small cubes or slices.


9,742 posted on 07/17/2009 9:13:41 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Aren't you hopey-changers embarassed by B.O. YET?)
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To: DelaWhere

My mouth is watering, but there is NO WAY the two of us will eat that many watermelon pickles!


9,743 posted on 07/17/2009 9:16:27 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Aren't you hopey-changers embarassed by B.O. YET?)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

(I would try the coconut oil or one of the refined olive oils.)

Done! And thank you for the suggestion. :)


9,744 posted on 07/17/2009 9:31:28 AM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: DelaWhere

Can you cook pumpkin like any squash, with butter and salt?


9,745 posted on 07/17/2009 9:42:07 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Marmolade

Thank goodness, everybody is different in their interests. Would be a dull world if we were all alike. Some people look askance at the things that take my interest and others get enthused along with me. I have always collected rocks on my travels and enjoy grouping them in my various flower beds. I can walk along the garden telling people, “ that pile of rocks came from Acadia National Park, Swan’s Island, Moosehead Lake, El Cajohn CA, Grand Canyon area, Schoodic Point or any other numbeer of places I have visited. Just took hubby down to the river and pointed out several large rocks (some over four feet long) that I would like when the river gets lower.

I wish I had the skill and stamina to build rock walls. We have some beautiful rock walls here in Maine over a hundred years old. Most of the old cellars here are made of huge granite stones.


9,746 posted on 07/17/2009 9:53:44 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: Marie

I’d substitute almond butter for peanut butter (no chance of aflotoxin, a known carcinogen) and honey for sugar. Sounds great.

I’d advise everyone to purchase a product called MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement). At least check it out.

http://www.miraclemineral.org/


9,747 posted on 07/17/2009 9:53:57 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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This message contains the following:

1. Evenflo Recalls Telephone Toys Due to Choking Hazard http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09275.html

2. Butterfly Chairs Recalled by Hobby Lobby Stores Due to Fall Hazard
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9,748 posted on 07/17/2009 11:30:28 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: alwaysconservative

Kohlrabi is a reliable ornamental edible to grow in cool spring weather and again in fall when summer heat tapers off. The tasty tubers and leaves are good sources of vitamins C and A, calcium, potassium, and fiber. And weight-watchers will be happy to hear they are low in calories, about 40 per cup. Like all brassicas, kohlrabi is claimed to be a potent anti-cancer vegetable. The biennial plants are very quick to mature, ready to harvest in just 60 to 70 days. Newer hybrids offer much more vigorous plants that grow rapidly and produce big, crunchy tubers without the pithy or stringy qualities that plagued older kohlrabi cultivars.<<<

Thanks for reminding me why we should grow Kohlrabi....

Yes, I have grown it and used it as I do the turnips.

I like turnips in a many vegetable soup, or even boiled with butter.

Or raw.

And one must have turnip greens with a pot of beans and cornbread.

As I recall, I used the kohlrabi leaves in stir frys.


9,749 posted on 07/17/2009 11:41:06 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

“The volunteer mulberry trees in my yard have begun popping with mulberries,”

We have several that have sprung up, unfortunately, not where we would like them. I guess one of them had some berries this year. It’s on the south edge of one of the gardens and I’m afraid it will end up shading out the garden. I have one I transplanted a few years back, but it is still kind of small. The one thing I do like about them is they tend to drop their leaves all at once so you don’t have to keep cleaning up for weeks on end.


9,750 posted on 07/17/2009 11:48:04 AM PDT by Marmolade
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http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm172478.htm

Young You Corporation Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Weight Loss Pills Found to Contain an Undeclared Drug Ingredient

Contact:
Victoria Fleishman
www.youngyoucorp.com
19590 Ventura Blvd.
Tarzana, Ca 91356
818-344-3344

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Brand Size Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient
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No illnesses or injuries have been reported to the company to date in connection with this product.

Young You Corp. has taken this voluntary action because it is committed to providing accurate information about its products and because of the concern for the health and safety of consumers. Young You Corp. is working with the FDA in the recall process. It sincerely regrets any inconvenience to customers.

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9,751 posted on 07/17/2009 11:52:36 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; alwaysconservative

I’ve used cream of tartar to clean a pot or two, but my most common use is to make Snickerdoodle cookies. YUM

Snickerdoodles
1/2 c. butter or margarine, softened
1/2 c. shortning
1 1/2 c. sugar
2 eggs
2 1/4 c. all-purpose flour
2 tsp. cream of tartar
1 tsp. soda
1/4 tsp. salt
2 Tbs. sugar
2 tsp. cinnamon

Heat oven to 400 degrees. Mix thoroughly butter, shortning, 1 1/2 c. sugar and the eggs. Blend in flour, cream of tartar, soda and salt. Shape dough by rounded teaspoonfuls into balls.

Mix 2 tablespoons sugar and the cinnamon; roll balls in mixture. Place 2 inches apart on ungreased baking sheet. Bake 8-10 minutes or until set. Immediately remove from baking sheet. About 6 doz. cookies


9,752 posted on 07/17/2009 12:05:36 PM PDT by Marmolade
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To: Marmolade

yes, I think I like it better in snikerdoodles than cleaning pots!


9,753 posted on 07/17/2009 12:06:28 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!you)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Eagle50AE; TenthAmendmentChampion

>>>Keep your list of seed companies where it can be found, when the new thread starts [?] it would be nice if we had a bunch of them on the first page and I have not been keeping up with them.<<<

I’m trying to get the page flushed out for sending to the ping list. If you have any links, I could sure put them to good use on the page..

Oh, does anyone know how many names can go on one ping? Don’t know if I need to break it down - there are now about 170 on the list.

Thanks.


9,754 posted on 07/17/2009 12:20:00 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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To: alwaysconservative

I planted kohlrabi in my garden this year. It’s not doing real well. I may try again later for fall crop. I’ve only ever eaten them raw and love them that way.


9,755 posted on 07/17/2009 12:22:10 PM PDT by Marmolade
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To: DelaWhere

Don’t forget to ping appleseed, as he has his own survival ping list.


9,756 posted on 07/17/2009 12:43:53 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: All; Velveeta; Calpernia; LucyT; Fred Nerks; CottonBall

The Wedding Gown That Made History

Lilly Friedman doesn’t remember the last name of the woman who designed and sewed the wedding gown she wore when she walked down the aisle over 60 years ago. But the grandmother of seven does recall that when she first told her fiancé Ludwig that she had always dreamed of being married in a white gown he realized he had his work cut out for him.

For the tall, lanky 21-year-old who had survived hunger, disease and torture this was a different kind of challenge. How was he ever going to find such a dress in the Bergen Belsen Displaced Person’s camp where they felt grateful for the clothes on their backs?

Fate would intervene in the guise of a former German pilot who walked into the food distribution center where Ludwig worked, eager to make a trade for his worthless parachute. In exchange for two pounds of coffee beans and a couple of packs of cigarettes Lilly would have her wedding gown.

For two weeks Miriam the seamstress worked under the curious eyes of her fellow DPs, carefully fashioning the six parachute panels into a simple, long sleeved gown with a rolled collar and a fitted waist that tied in the back with a bow. When the dress was completed she sewed the leftover material into a matching shirt for the groom.

A white wedding gown may have seemed like a frivolous request in the surreal environment of the camps, but for Lilly the dress symbolized the innocent, normal life she and her family had once led before the world descended into madness. Lilly and her siblings were raised in a Torah observant home in the small town of Zarica, Czechoslovakia where her father was a melamed, respected and well liked by the young yeshiva students he taught in nearby Irsheva.

He and his two sons were marked for extermination immediately upon arriving at Auschwitz . For Lilly and her sisters it was only their first stop on their long journey of persecution, which included Plashof, Neustadt, Gross Rosen and finally Bergen Belsen .

Lilly Friedman and her parachute dress on display in the Bergen Belsen Museum

Four hundred people marched 15 miles in the snow to the town of Celle on January 27, 1946 to attend Lilly and Ludwig’s wedding. The town synagogue, damaged and desecrated, had been lovingly renovated by the DPs with the meager materials available to them. When a Sefer Torah arrived from England they converted an old kitchen cabinet into a makeshift Aron Kodesh.

“My sisters and I lost everything - our parents, our two brothers, our homes. The most important thing was to build a new home.” Six months later, Lilly’s sister Ilona wore the dress when she married Max Traeger. After that came Cousin Rosie. How many brides wore Lilly’s dress? “I stopped counting after 17.” With the camps experiencing the highest marriage rate in the world, Lilly’s gown was in great demand.

In 1948 when President Harry Truman finally permitted the 100,000 Jews who had been languishing in DP camps since the end of the war to emigrate, the gown accompanied Lilly across the ocean to America . Unable to part with her dress, it lay at the bottom of her bedroom closet for the next 50 years, “not even good enough for a garage sale. I was happy when it found such a good home.”

Home was the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington , D.C. When Lily’s niece, a volunteer, told museum officials about her aunt’s dress, they immediately recognized its historical significance and displayed the gown in a specially designed showcase, guaranteed to preserve it for 500 years.

But Lilly Friedman’s dress had one more journey to make. Bergen Belsen , the museum, opened its doors on October 28, 2007. The German government invited Lilly and her sisters to be their guests for the grand opening. They initially declined, but finally traveled to Hanover the following year with their children, their grandchildren and extended families to view the extraordinary exhibit created for the wedding dress made from a parachute.

Lilly’s family, who were all familiar with the stories about the wedding in Celle , were eager to visit the synagogue. They found the building had been completely renovated and modernized. But when they pulled aside the handsome curtain they were astounded to find that the Aron Kodesh, made from a kitchen cabinet, had remained untouched as a testament to the profound faith of the survivors. As Lilly stood on the bimah once again she beckoned to her granddaughter, Jackie, to stand beside her where she was once a kallah. “It was an emotional trip. We cried a lot.”

Two weeks later, the woman who had once stood trembling before the selective eyes of the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele returned home and witnessed the marriage of her granddaughter.

The three Lax sisters - Lilly, Ilona and Eva, who together survived Auschwitz, a forced labor camp, a death march and Bergen Belsen - have remained close and today live within walking distance of each other in Brooklyn. As mere teenagers, they managed to outwit and outlive a monstrous killing machine, then went on to marry, have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and were ultimately honored by the country that had earmarked them for extinction.

As young brides, they had stood underneath the chuppah and recited the blessings that their ancestors had been saying for thousands of years. In doing so, they chose to honor the legacy of those who had perished by choosing life.

Hinda
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In Memoriam

I n MEMORIAM - 63 YEARS LATER

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russian peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iraq , Iran, and others claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth,’ it’s imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because there are others who would like to do it again.

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AntiTerrorismCoalition/


9,757 posted on 07/17/2009 1:23:59 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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http://www.fromtimespast.com/wedding.htm

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The History of the White Wedding Dress

by Kelsey McIntyre, Guest writer

White has long been accepted as the traditional color of the wedding dress, but wedding gowns were not always white. The marriage of Queen Victoria to her cousin Albert of Saxe- Coburg in 1840 has had more influence on weddings than any other. Queen Victoria put the wheels in motion by marrying in white. Though brides continued to wed in gowns of different colors, white was now set as the color of choice for weddings and has continued ever since. In Godey’s Lady’s Book, 1849, this statement was printed: “ Custom has decided, from the earliest ages, that white is the most fitting hue, whatever may be the material. It is an emblem of the purity and innocence of girlhood, and the unsullied heart she now yields to the chosen one.”

There is an old poem about how the color of your wedding dress will influence your future: “Married in white, you will have chosen all right. Married in grey , you will go far away. Married in black, you will wish yourself back. Married in red, you’ll wish yourself dead. Married in blue, you will always be true. Married in pearl, you’ll live in a whirl. Married in green, ashamed to be seen, Married in yellow, ashamed of the fellow. Married in brown, you’ll live out of town. Married in pink, your spirits will sink.”

The Industrial Revolution also brought about change. By the 1890’s and the arrival of the department store, almost every woman could realize her dream of being married in a “new” wedding dress. The white dress was gaining popularity and in 1890, Ladies Home Journal wrote: “That from times immemorial the bride’s gown has been white”. Although this statement was not true, it shows how deeply accepted it was that a wedding gown be white. Although white was popular, some brides, especially the frontier brides, wore dresses that were more practical and could be worn after the wedding. As wedding dresses closely resembled the fashions of the time, only a little alteration was needed for the dress to be perfect to wear again.

Edwardian brides took the traditions of their Victorian ancestors to new extremes. Fashions became more extravagant as the decade progressed, but came to a screeching halt with the outbreak of WWI. Styles became simpler, and also reflected the changing role of women in society with hems getting shorter and the disposing of tightly laced corsets. Coco Chanel was a powerful force behind the change in women’s’ fashions, and was the one who officially introduced the short wedding dress in the 1920’s. It was a white knee length dress worn with a long train. This cemented white as the universal color of the wedding dress.

When the Depression hit, brides made do with their “best” dress for the wedding. My great grandmother, who was married in 1928 had a new white wedding dress, but after the wedding she dyed it navy, keeping only the collar and cuffs white—a common practice at that time. During WWII, women considered it their duty to give up the traditional wedding , although most brides might be engaged only for a few weeks or even days before the wedding took place. This did not leave enough time to find a wedding dress so the best suit had to do. If the bride was set on having a white dress, one could be borrowed or rented for the ceremony. If both the bride and groom were in the military they were married in their respective uniforms.

After the war, prosperity made it possible for the large dream weddings inspired by the Victorian era to become a reality. Grace Kelly’s marriage to Prince Monaco garnered much publicity because of its grand fairy tale wedding. She wore a white silk and lace gown. The focus of wedding dresses has shifted since the 1950”s. The emphasis now is on the individuality of the bride. So whatever color you choose to be married in, you now know a bit more behind the tradition of the white wedding dress.

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9,758 posted on 07/17/2009 1:35:28 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marmolade

It’s on the south edge of one of the gardens and I’m afraid it will end up shading out the garden.<<<

Cut off the shading branches, before the new leaves break out.

I have not had good luck growing veggies under mine, the roots get all the food and water.

My mulberry is a male, so no fruit, it is a joke on nature, as it sets the flowers and they fall off, after it spreads its pollen.


9,759 posted on 07/17/2009 1:44:13 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marmolade

Snickerdoodles<<<

Sure sounds good to me.


9,760 posted on 07/17/2009 1:47:36 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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