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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny
I find them to be like a Freeper meeting would be if those of us on this thread had a pot luck, lots of hugging and support.

I grew up with a Mormon friend and went to a lot of her social events. I always felt like I was missing something when I went back home. They were such a wonderful and loving group.
2,141 posted on 02/20/2009 8:23:52 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Do your thing, and store food, then when the day comes that your husband comes in, in the middle of the work day and says, “can you take me to the hospital, I think I am having a heart attack?” and it is 2 years before he can take the smallest of jobs, you will be thankful for every stored bite of food.

Is that what happened to you, granny?
2,142 posted on 02/20/2009 8:24:41 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: DelaWhere

It is a cute nick.

BTW, can I adopt you? My grandparents have passed on and I feel the need of one (or more)!


2,143 posted on 02/20/2009 8:25:39 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Meant to cc AZ granny on this as well!


2,144 posted on 02/20/2009 8:26:18 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: DelaWhere
The sales for them were up 40% this past year - I sort of expect to see prices go up and supplies to go down this summer during the canning season.

I've been buying some now and then to store some dry stuff for long-term. I'm a bit concerned about doing some wet canning. Again, I need a grandma or grandpa around to show me this stuff! My grandma in Kansas was great at this stuff - she was a farm girl. She could've taught me a lot if I didn't live so far away from her. My grandma (nonna) in Italy was a bit different. Odd, really.
2,145 posted on 02/20/2009 8:29:51 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: DelaWhere

Soy Beans are an excellent source of protein (but they MUST be roasted first - kills the enzyme that is detrimental to livestock)<<<

Thank you, I did not know that.

I don’t recall now what we used, it was whatever we had and what ever my research at the time said would be good for them.


2,146 posted on 02/20/2009 8:35:53 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

I guess I have about 100 cases of which 80 are currently filled - but then spring is on the way...<<<

That is fantastic.


2,147 posted on 02/20/2009 8:37:45 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Quix

Will do, and thanks for your suggestions.


2,148 posted on 02/20/2009 8:38:59 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

I love horses.

Wish I could have seen you on your giant of a horse.

I think my earliest memory is rushing out to meet my uncle when he came in from the range, he and the other cowboys.

I couldn’t have been more than two, but God stayed on the job and and I never got trampled.

And I stuck to him like glue, LOL, I am sure that he took a lot of ribbing from the cowboys, as that is what every 20 year old man wants, a two year old for a shadow.

I did have a couple of horses 20 years ago, so had my older fling.

It amazes me how smart they are and how careful they can be of someone who is not a trained rider.

Yes, if every child had a horse they loved, this would be a better world.


2,149 posted on 02/20/2009 8:51:25 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Great article on leaveners...<<<

That is a wonderful site and full of information.

You are welcome and we are alike, I need to know the “why”, so I know what it is doing and if i can change it.


2,150 posted on 02/20/2009 8:53:21 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: tapatio

Welcome, glad you came to this thread.

Join us if you wish.

If you need more to read, there are 10,000 posts in thread one and the link is on the first page.


2,151 posted on 02/20/2009 8:55:47 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

I grew up with a Mormon friend and went to a lot of her social events. I always felt like I was missing something when I went back home. They were such a wonderful and loving group.<<<

Yes, they are.

I had never met one, until I moved to Arizona.

It has been a blessing for me, both the ones that I knew in Wellton and those that I have known here.

When I think of Catherine in Wellton, it makes me smile, her standard greeting over the years was “how are you? I called to see if I should send the Missionaries to you?”

A family joke, as I had said no to the Missionaries, wasn’t interested....and one morning on the way to work, Bill saw an elderly couple standing on the side of the road.

He stopped and asked if they needed help, and they said “No, we had never seen an orange on a tree before and had to stop and see them, we are new in the area”.

Bill said “Well you go on out and talk to my wife, she can tell you all about what will grow here.”

And when I opened the door, there they were, the new Missionaries, sent to the west from the midwest.

A lovely wonderful couple.


2,152 posted on 02/20/2009 9:05:16 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

Is that what happened to you, granny?<<<

Yes, it is what happened.

Two years of a nightmare, never knowing if he would live or be dead when I got home.

He worked for the irrigation district and they were famous for not maintaining the equipment, the power train went out on the truck he was driving.

It was the one with the giant arm on the back, and his friend Bill Whitley sitting back there, to operate the arm.

I took photos of the tracks he made, fighting to gain control of the truck, down a bank and up another, to stay out of the canal, which would have killed both men.

The physical force of fighting for control, tore the wall of his heart, but not all the way, just enough to be ready to go.

He was in the hospital for 3 months and later another 6 weeks, flat on his back and not surgery could be done, either God healed him or he would die.

It is that simple.

“Take me to the hospital, I think I am having a heart attack”.

When he left work, he went to the only Doctor we had, and he was not there, so his RN wife checked Bill and told him that he needed to go to Yuma, as there would be no help for him in Wellton. Which was true.


2,153 posted on 02/20/2009 9:13:37 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Reach back into your memory. You gave basic instructions on making a PVC walking stick. I talked to my dear friend and showed him your basic rundown on it. He’s wanting more details. He’s pretty adept as he makes his living as a contractor/remodeler of houses but he was asking me stuff that I couldn’t answer. I know you will be able to answer so when we all get together, we need details on your wonderful walking stick. We both love the idea.


2,154 posted on 02/20/2009 9:14:30 PM PST by ozarkgirl (I'll keep my money, my freedom and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: CottonBall

BTW, can I adopt you?<<<

What a lovely thought, consider it done.

One can never have enough loved ones.


2,155 posted on 02/20/2009 9:15:49 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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2,156 posted on 02/20/2009 9:25:58 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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2,157 posted on 02/20/2009 9:33:59 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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2,158 posted on 02/20/2009 9:38:53 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Marmolade

Here are links to the food storage recipes in thread #1:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=3711#3710

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=3711#3711

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=3712#3712

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=3713#3713

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=3714#3714


2,159 posted on 02/20/2009 10:06:56 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: CottonBall
Yes, you can use jet skis on the lake. Motorized boats are on there all the time and people waterski. My son has seen jet skis on the lake when he was down there fishing.

The property is also fenced off from the road with a long driveway, so you can't see the homesite from the road. I took a flyer a week or two ago and it's out in the truck. I'll get it and email you the MLS number tomorrow sometime.

Click on the picture to see more pictures of Pine Flat Lake:


2,160 posted on 02/20/2009 11:03:00 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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