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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: Fred Nerks; penelopesire; BulletBobCo; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; ...

In email:

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NEWS ALERT:


Dr. Bob Basso, the guy that made the Youtube videos where he dresses up as Thomas Paine, coming back from the past to warn Americans about their country, received a call from yours truly, Barack Obama.

Apparently Obama was pissed off that Dr. Basso’s videos were gaining speed and he “invited him to the White House to discuss the nature of these disturbing videos”.

We put the latest video in question up on the main page at http://grou.ps/zapem along with a 10min. audio from the Jerry Doyle show that explains matters further.

Jerry Doyle has been interviewing Dr. Basso on a regular basis. Not only was Dr. Basso warned by Obama not to go public about the interview, Jerry Doyle’s show also received a call from the administration warning them not to air it.

That didn’t deter either of them.... they immediately told everyone what was going on, putting a hitch in the giggy of Obama’s plans. Jerry Doyle believes that the warnings were made to give the Obama administration time to turn Dr. Basso into a rerun of Joe The Plumber.

Glen Beck is also covering this story as far as we know. WND did a short article on it. But the Doyle audio explains much more than either of the two. We refined it last night since podcasts of the show are pay-only.

Keep an eye on this story and spread it to your friends. There’s no good reason why Obama is inviting this man to the White House. Basso is calling for a march on Washington soon and he may just be the man to accomplish it!

Links and audio are all under the Featured Video on the Zapem homepage @

http://grou.ps/zapem


7,561 posted on 03/29/2009 12:15:58 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

THANK YOU!

A big ole HUGE bump!


7,562 posted on 03/29/2009 12:18:35 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Most Effective Obama Critics: Charles Dow and Edward Jones" ~ John McCormack ~ The Weekly Standard)
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Obama Censorship Of Thomas Paine?

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A YouTube video by actor Bob Basso portraying a modern day Thomas Paine is sweeping this country. Not since “I want my country back” has something so pro-American, so red white and blue, so revolutionary, taken this country by storm.

It calls for the 2nd American Revolution, and that apparently has Obama worried. Unconfirmed reports say that the Obama White House has contacted Basso and told him they would like to “meet” with him, and until then, they would prefer he not discuss the video in the media. Again this is an unconfirmed report.

Please watch this reminder of what our responsibility as a citizen of this country should be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk

And to the new administration, just a reminder, we still have freedom of speech. You haven’t taxed us or jailed us out of that...yet.

Tell me your thoughts on Bob Basso’s performance. A Patriot or Subversive?

Clearly I believe he is a patriotic American.

And just in case you are a product of the public schools and never learned about Thomas Paine, please read about the Father of the American Revolution who wrote the phrase “These are the times that try men’s souls” at

http://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10076536

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Former KHON2 Anchor Lights Up YouTube

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He’s a former U.S. Navy officer who used to anchor the Channel 2 News in the late 1960’s before turning to acting on the popular TV series Hawaii 5-0.

Now at the age of 70, Bob Basso is lighting up the internet with his fiery portrayal of Thomas Paine.

“Someone said, ‘Bob you know the great hope for American democracy is the YouTube because our government isn’t working.’ So I did the first Tom Paine and we got close to three million hits and that brought a whole rush from the media.”

Basso’s first vignette called “The Second American Revolution” was released on YouTube last fall. In it Basso rails against government waste and corruption as well as the massive federal bailouts of failing banks.

“We have strayed far afield from our founding principles which was and still is to be cautious of big government,” said Basso in a telephone interview with Khon2 from his Los Angeles home.

Rest here:
http://www.khon2.com/news/government/41956927.html

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The latest Basso video:

We The People Stimulus Package

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA&feature=related


7,563 posted on 03/29/2009 12:37:28 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE; Beckwith; LucyT

Obama is allowed to continuously campaign, selling his socialist policies of hope and cange. No one is allowed to do a counter campaign like Doyle.

Doyle is effective, Fascism allows NO RESISTANCE.

Doyle may not realize it, but his life is in danger.That is the way fascism works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA&feature=related


7,564 posted on 03/29/2009 5:26:59 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

We just have to remember when the conservatives are back in power that we need to pressure them to show no quarter for the liberals.

We need to dismantle everything they have put in place over the last 60 years and make sure they become the silent minority like they should be.


7,565 posted on 03/29/2009 5:33:56 AM PDT by surfer
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To: surfer

Yes, we must dismantle it all, or we will not have an America anymore.

It will be a tattered version of America evolving towards a balkanized nation of tattered collective states that have more in common with Zimbabwe, than any place else.

Obama is detested by those who love freedom.And that includes people in his very own party.

I predict his demise, unless he begins to govern America as a free nation deserves.But that is unlikely at this point.


7,566 posted on 03/29/2009 5:46:35 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

My mistake, Doyle= Dr. Basso


7,567 posted on 03/29/2009 5:52:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: STARWISE

Not sure what to think of this guy yet. Most of the stuff in his video is pretty good....but when he went into ‘universal service’ and ‘abolishing the electoral college’ my radar went up.

If the electoral college is abolished, the dems and big city leftists will be in power for the rest of humankind. That alone is a deal breaker on this man for me.


7,568 posted on 03/29/2009 6:43:00 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

I had a similar creepy feeling about that statement. The Electoral College is Constitutional; without that, it’s a barnburner 100%.


7,569 posted on 03/29/2009 6:45:58 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: SE Mom
If President Barry is found to be a usurper..........I hope all you guys and gals are ready for some rough times in America.

To remove the first African president will certainly result in race riots and chaos.

Keep your head down y’all.

7,570 posted on 03/29/2009 6:53:13 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: STARWISE

I would not put it past Rahm, Axelrod and the Zero to set this guy up with this viral video, which seemingly esposes constitutional/conservative/libertarian views(all of which they have no intention of implementing..only using to get us listening) and then to throw in the two things that the marxists really want to do...(universal service and abolishing the electoral college) in order to confuse and co-opt our growing ‘movement’.

Call me paranoid, but I’d rather just stick with the Tea Parties and take those to Washington. Not interested in following some guy that wants to abolish the electoral college to Washington.

Obama and his thugs are very sneaky and we should not trust them for one minute(as you know).


7,571 posted on 03/29/2009 7:06:04 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: STARWISE

Excellent UTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk


7,572 posted on 03/29/2009 7:46:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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Update:

Just a few moments ago, the youtube segments of the Jerry Doyle radio show discussing Bob Basso’s viral videos, and his ‘invite’ to the WH, were gone. I watched them all this a.m.

“We’re sorry this video is no longer available”

Now, they’re back. I don’t know how to download videos.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI7rW9-LTQ8&feature=channel


7,573 posted on 03/29/2009 11:20:51 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE
If only Bob had 3 million friends show up in Washington the day he meets with Obama!

Like Cramer... will Bob be singing Obama's praises after the meeting?

7,574 posted on 03/29/2009 2:00:38 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Candor7
It will be a tattered version of America evolving towards a balkanized nation of tattered collective states that have more in common with Zimbabwe, than any place else.

Don't assume that all states are planning to stay in the union. IF we collapse, all bets are off. People will group into political and ideological factions and will occupy territory on this continent. New states emerging from the rubble will either be "European" or freedom loving.

7,575 posted on 03/29/2009 2:10:40 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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Audio update from Dr. Bob Basso, viral youtuber, who speaks as Thomas Paine would:

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YouTuber Dr. Bob Basso Summoned to White House to Discuss
“the disturbing nature of the videos”.

03.27.09 UPDATE: Bob Basso Sends His R.S.V.P.
To We The People Not The White House

http://grou.ps/zapem


7,576 posted on 03/30/2009 8:31:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: servantboy777

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley “Ann” Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.


7,577 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:32 PM PDT by Not Free Lunch
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FYI~~~

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Friday, April 10, 2009
Principles In Liberty #36
This episode is the full 4 hour recording of the Seattle Continental Congress Meeting held on April 8th at the University of Washington. Enjoy!

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http://principlesinliberty.blogspot.com/2009/04/principles-in-liberty-36.html

Summary:
Recorded on 4/8/2009

00:30 PreIntro
02:34 Intro and Prayer
04:41 Steve Pidgeon Intro of Bob
05:00 Constitution is in great danger: overview of where we are
05:45 Constitution is the only source of legit power for this out-of-control government
06:23 What can we do?
06:40 Must use lawful means
07:36 Self-proving rubrik of the truth.
07:57 Democratic components does not make a democracy

08:16 Bill of rights - first ammendment
08:53 Intro of Bob Schulz
09:40 Bob Schulz - pledge to the constitution.
10:15 Constitutional Quiz of the Audience
11:15 Declaration of Independence relationship to the Constitution

11:35 Doctrine of popular sovreignty.
12:15 Is the government violating the constitution? Audience participation.
12:44 Money clause
13:10 Article 5 - refuse to call an convention
13:45 Taxation clauses
14:00 Habeus Corpus

14:25 Free speech
14:31 Searches and seizures - police state
15:00 Commerce powers abused
15:17 War powers
15:50 Natural born citizen clause
16:19 Licensed mariages

16:30 Education, Healthcare work - not authorized
17:10 Money bills originate in house
17:30 Eminent domain, ownership of public lands
18:00 Ex: Bridgeport attempted to take land for private purposes from other private parties

19:10 Imigration
21:11 What can we do to correct this?
21:48 Is there an accountability clause?
23:00 Redress of grievences
23:35 5 freedoms guaranteed by the first ammendment.
25:40 Redress of grievence clause never ruled on by any court.

27:09 If govt. refuses to redress our grievences we have a right to withdraw out support.
27:30 Just try it. Individuals and small groups cannot withdraw successfully.
28:05 Gandhi example

29:15 MLK followed this example - proactive, nonviolent, mass movement, successful
29:40 Critical mass needed via Continental Congress to restore the constitution
30:30 Bob’s bio background
39:00 Learned law to defend himself from government retaliation

40:00 Set up TCTA
40:35 formed ACTA
41:36 set up WTP
43:00 Civic Education and Action both are needed.
44:00 We compare govt. actions with its constitution and if they are out of line we proactively take legal action by right to petition of redress of greivences to hold the govt. accountable to its governing documents.

45:45 WTP Congress will be carrying this forward.
46:00 Institutionalizing vigilence - devoting the rest of my life
46:40 Tasks: Distribute information about our documents that people are not getting.
46:56 Scrutinize government at every level and confront it.
47:35 Capital Domes

48:30 WTP will build distinctive architecture buildings to accomplish vigilance just as domes signify the center of government.
49:00 People are passionate - use it for vigilence.
49:36 Current project - Contintntal Congress
49:45 History of first one

50:20 1763, relationship between Britain and colonies began to sour
51:10 11 years of petitioning for redress of greivences
51:35 Jefferson’s task of prosecuting these petitions.
52:00 They decided to call the congress just to talk about the situation in 1774.
53:00 We are in exactly the same situation today.
53:35 We need to do the same thing they did today.

54:45 They tried the articles of confederation
54:58 Then the constitution was written - creating the only place for liberty anywhere in history.
55:48 We need to repeat this history.
56:00 State legislatures are invited to send reps as well but will not participate - just observe.

57:00 Every word uttered will be live webcast and transcribed.
58:40 Use this to connect the dots in the minds of people all over the world.
1:00:45 Get the critical mass of understanding needed to follow the recomendations of the CC.

1:01:15 50 websites - one for each state.
1:02:00 Before this year is over we will know just how many people care and the character of our country.
1:02:55 WTP can only do so much. What we can do...
1:05:00 Why did you come here?
1:05:05 Bailout made us come - the people objected and our reps ignored us.

1:06:18 Looking for nonviolent method that may work
1:06:45 I had questions
1:06:50 Judicial remedy was being pursued and failed, came to monitor this approach.
1:07:30 Is Judiciary politicized and corrupt? (Duh yes)
1:07:55 Constitution is obviously being violated.

1:08:00 This is a way to do something.
1:08:30 All the evidence support the claim that the govt. is violating numerous parts of the constitution.
1:09:20 The record shows that the govt. refuses to justify or ammend their behavior.
1:09:49 What is our duty as a free people?

1:10:37 It is every mans duty to protect the constitution.
1:11:20 Are you willing to assist in making this congress happen and reaching out to people?
1:12:00 3/4 of the audience stood in answer to this question.
1:12:30 Signing of citizen action form

1:12:44 Break (cut)

1:13:10 The redress of grievence IS an accountability clause. (We also have one in the second ammendment.)
1:13:39 How do we know what was in the minds of the founders when they wrote this clause?
1:14:10 Magna Carta - 1215 note that this is different from the more commonly seen 1297 version.
1:15:30 Section 61

1:16:40 Allows people to take the property of the barons accountable for making redress if not so redressed within 40 days.
1:18:20 King James example: Popes refused to read freedom of religion proclamation - but the king put them in the dungeon. They defended with the argument that they were petitioning the king for redress of grievence - the jury let them go.

1:19:25 Setpember 1774 Philadelphia Continental Congress was called.
1:20:50 October 1774 Congress passed act to get Canadians to sympathize with their plight
1:21:22 Journals of the Continental Congress page 107
1:21:30 Act Quoted: says we have right to withhold money till grievences are redressed.

1:22:40 Jefferson quote from letter to Lord North
1:24:40 Declaration of Independence spends 3 of 5 pages listing greivences.
1:25:05 the capstone greivence of the Declaration.
1:26:30 States started adopting their state constitutions after the Declaration was signed.

1:27:00 New Hampshire Constitution quote Article 10 Right of Revolution
1:28:44 Most important sentence in the Constitution
1:30:00 Any right that is not enforcable is not a right
1:30:55 10 law review articles published on the right to petition for redress of grievances
1:31:20 A citizen sent a letter that caused all this.

1:32:00 Supreme court note on redress of greivences.
1:32:46 two of these reviews are really good.
1:33:00 Prof. Akhil Reed Amar - Yale Law Journal The Bill of Rights as a Constitution
1:33:17 Prof. Gregory Mark - Rutgers University The Vestigial Constitution: The History and
significance of the right to petition.

1:33:30 Until 1830 people were participating in their government - you always got an answer from congress
1:34:27 What changed? Southern congressmen passed a gag rule against abolitionists.
1:34:55 Took J. Q. Adams 8 years to get the gag rule repealed.
1:35:45 Rights of free speech, press, assemblage, derived from the necessity to protect the right to petition for redress.

1:37:35 We and lots of others have been petitioning for redress of grievences. All of this is documented on http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/
1:38:00 1995 Mexican Peso petition
1:38:25 Judicial doctrine of standing and its abuse
1:42:40 1999 Kosovo bombing

1:45:50 1999 IRS questions by Joe Banister
1:47:20 Geoff Metcalf interviews Devvy Kidd and gets Joe Banister’s attention.
1:49:15 Invited congress to a meeting to answer Banister’s questions. CSPAN covered it.
1:50:10 Tried it again in November.
1:50:40 Petition served on congress and president with delegates for all states in April.

1:55:13 Try again in June.
1:57:23 Washington Times Ad
1:58:00 USA Today Ad
1:58:50 David Cay Johnson calls about hearing on ad
1:59:36 witness list for hearing on ad is closed to Bob.
1:59:50 Walk around IRS building 7 times and ask for interview.
2:00:00 Witness list was closed reminder - Went to hearing anyway.

2:01:00 Witness on stand suggests the committee answer’s Bob’s questions - they ignore her.
2:01:45 Hunger fast
2:03:30 Lawrence Linsay writes a note to convince Bob to stop the fast.
2:04:00 Roscoe Bartlett helps Bob connect to the government - sets up meeting.
2:06:00 911 interrupts plans

2:07:00 Set up pay-per-view system to webcast meeting - government backed out. Meeting went on anyway.
2:09:30 Iraq War Resolution - Henry Hyde says “events have overtaken the constitution”
2:13:40 Petitions are treated as depositions.
2:15:20 November 14th, Served 4 petitions at once. FED, Patriot Act, IRS, Iraq Resolution

2:18:40 Other petitions: Gun control laws, North American. Union, Immigration laws not being enforced, Computerized vote counting, AIG bailout
2:19:00 Lawsuit and restraining order on AIG bailout.
2:22:00 Closed doors meeting called and congress blackmailed that evening to bail out AIG. Paulson asks congress to authorize $ transfer.

2:23:19 Another lawsuit (last September)
2:23:43 Decision just rendered recently - lack of standing of course.
2:25:00 Our capstone greivance
2:26:00 Is Government obligated to respond to a petition for redress of greivances?
2:26:10 Can we withold our support in taxes until greivances are addressed?

2:26:41 Stare decisis
2:28:36 Smith vs Arkansas
2:29:30 Minnesota vs Knight
2:31:33 Judith Rodgers writes decision that stare decisis does not apply
2:33:12 Supreme court denies case
2:33:50 Leaves us with no choice but a Continental Congress

2:35:00 Electoral process cannot solve this problem.
2:36:00 AIPAC
2:36:50 Our rights are not dependent upon a majority vote - they are absolute.
2:38:00 States and Federal Government are intertwined and comprimised.
2:38:30 Corporate American and Corporate Media will not help.

2:39:00 Continental Congress will happen this year.
2:39:40 Questions on Continental Congress
2:41:50 Q: How do we all get on the same page?
2:42:08 Rocketship analogy
2:44:00 Solving problem politically just wastes our energy - this is a constitutional/legal problem, not a political problem.

2:45:30 We must somehow channel this energy.
2:45:45 Idea came while on the road to Jacksonville - Jeckyl Island
2:46:12 The creature from Jeckyl Island
2:47:00 The story of the FED in short.
2:50:00 Get the leaders of all the constitiutional/conservative groups to agree on the idea of supporting the Continental Congress - meet at Jeckyl Island 3rd week of May.

2:52:00 Train # 97 from New Jersey
2:53:20 Q: Article 5 issue - 750 calls for a convention from the states have been issued but congress refuses to call a convention.
2:55:11 Q: Why are you not in favor of calling a convention by congress?
2:56:00 A: How will an ammended constitution gain anymore respect than what we have now?

2:57:30 Take a vote to see if we should keep discussing this question.
2:59:16 Announcement by me about this recording and transcription
3:00:30 A: We don’t have time for that approach.
3:02:00 Fine we can both pursue our courses.
3:02:40 Congress refuses to call a convention - clarification.

3:03:20 Steve Pidgeon chimes in. TARP, International currency, FSB, Nationalized GM, Banks, Insurance, Supreme court is not making constitutional decisions and is gutting the bill of rights.

3:04:30 A lawyer intends to supplant the constitution with international law within 30 days.
3:06:15 Natural Born Citizen issue demonstrates how our movement is cutting itself to pieces.
3:06:50 Rocketship analogy - we can have multiple engines working together.

3:07:30 Tea Party situation
3:07:40 Bob now thinks he understands the question.
3:08:24 The Continental Congress would have your issue on the table as well.
3:09:16 Barak Obama violated federal criminal law so he can’t hold office.
3:09:43 Q: How will order be handled in the congress?
3:09:50 A: Roberts rules of order.

3:10:25 Procedure for nominating and electing delegates.
3:11:40 50 state websites
3:13:20 Q: What about Obama’s elegibility as a redress petition? (NBC issue)
3:13:30 A: You asked, here’s the answer
3:15:00 Interrupted

3:18:05 Took out an Ad in the Chicago Tribune - An Open Letter to Barak Obama asking him to make his birth certificate public along with other info. - no response.
3:20:40 Audience member comment on redress of grievance.

3:21:00 Steve Pidgeon opinion/input - courts are corrupt
3:21:31 Bob - true story - Leo Donofrio case
3:22:30 Today Show - Pete Williams talks about Donofrio case
3:23:10 Democracy - founders rejected it. There has never been a democracy that didn’t commit suicide.

3:23:40 Q: How do you fund this movement?
3:24:00 A: Low overhead and donations.
3:26:00 Applause
3:26:20 No financial angels. All small donations.
3:27:10 IRS has audited the operation.

3:28:15 Q: What entities are we addressing? Dejure vs Defacto Government. Is entity bankrupt and if so does it apply?
3:29:00 A: Any act of congress repugnant to the constitution is null and void.
3:29:30 A: IF this is true, then have them tell us and we will deal with it. Otherwise assume things are normal. Silence is admission or fraud. Natural rights are not nullified.

3:30:15 Q: What if our rights are nullified?
3:30:40 A: Its right here in the document.
3:31:00 Steve Pidgeon: Userpation happens regardless of bankruptcy. Sovreign law is not bankrupt.
3:32:20 Government doesn’t like bad press.

3:32:50 Lets say the congress says we withdraw our support - if 15-20M people do it, the government will have to pay attention.
3:34:20 Photo on parade magazine that stuck in my mind. Sympathy immediately went to the people due to that picture.
3:36:10 Q: Suppose we get people to withhold their money - what about the government printing money?

3:36:36 A: Lender security will make inflation option inviable.
3:37:07 Philander Knox
3:38:10 How it works. The FED lends it into circulation. The income tax pays the FED. So no tax income kills the government’s money source.
3:39:50 86% of FED income comes from personal income taxes.

3:40:24 Official end of meeting
3:40:41 My closing remarks - thanks for your patience!


7,578 posted on 04/11/2009 6:22:11 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Fred Nerks
Absolutely hilarious! Totus, potus and botus(barkulosus of the US)
7,579 posted on 04/11/2009 9:26:53 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Fred Nerks
That's the trouble with this adm. when you are willing to appease every audience you are in front of there is no truth!! Only actions which become true.
7,580 posted on 04/11/2009 9:29:29 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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