Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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And if you are in Austin, let me extend the same welcome.
I work in technology (EDA) so I do in fact get out there from time to time.
Will do, FRiend.
? It is that none can say before hand which of another person's interests once arisen are good or bad, nor be wise in forbidding lines of inquiry before they can be spoken -- over time and once engaged in a conversation we all can make a reasonable judgment, but not until then.
You also make too settled the meaning that could be given to "natural born". Congress may have made law about it, but until a presidential candidate comes challenged about that exact term before the Supreme Court's bar, no one knows what the Justices will make of it. It hasn't happened yet, I think.
I'm worried about that. If you are correct we will win this because I doubt the Brits destroy stuff like this--Obama Sr. was a local establishment person planning to be President of the local country; doubt they would have done it in the bush. She was concerned about the records and legitimacy also. I am not too worried about that.
But I have heard that the birth documents were in Mombasa. Maybe copies? I have heard no response.
Do you know of a way to inquire in London?
Your memory is not correct on that subject--go look it up.
Oops! LOL!
Excerpted from a Chicago Tribune article:
That was only the first surprise. Stanley Ann began classes at the University of Hawaii in 1960, and shortly after that, Box received a letter saying that her friend had fallen in love with a grad student. He was black, from Kenya and named Obama.
About that same time, another letter crossed the Pacific, this one heading to Africa. It was from Barack Obama Sr. to his mother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama. Though the letter didn't go into great detail, it said he had met a young woman named Ann (not Stanley). There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.
SNIP
The self-assured and opinionated Obama spoke with a voice so deep that "he made James Earl Jones seem like a tenor," said Neil Abercrombie, a Democratic congressman from Hawaii who was part of those regular gatherings.
While Obama was impatient and energized, Stanley Ann, whom Abercrombie described as "the original feminist," was endlessly patient but quietly passionate in her arguments. She was the only woman in the group.
"I think she was attracted to his powerful personality," Abercrombie said, "and he was attracted to her beauty and her calmness.".
Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S."
SNIP
Although he didn't say it at the time, Abercrombie privately feared that the relationship would be short-lived. Obama was one of the most ambitious, self-focused men he had ever met. After Obama was accepted to study at Harvard, Stanley Ann disappeared from the University of Hawaii student gatherings, but she did not accompany her husband to Harvard. Abercrombie said he rarely saw her after that.
"I know he loved Ann," Abercrombie said, but "I think he didn't want the impediment of being responsible for a family. He expected great things of himself and he was going off to achieve them."
The marriage failed. Stanley Ann filed for divorce in 1964 and remarried two years later, when her son was 5. The senior Obama finished his work at Harvard and returned to Kenya, where he hoped to realize his big dreams of taking a place in the Kenyan government.
(http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/chi-0703270151mar27,0,7437761.story?page=4)
Should we be born, that at the end we are only victims?
that wasn’t me, I was quoting the owner of the petition website, see link:
http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/
You quote 8 USCA 1401(g) to say: a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen year
Fact is that 1401(g) was amended to say that only for persons born after November of 1986; prior to that date, the statute said persons totaling not less than 10 years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen [or sixteen] years.
No way could Stanley Ann have met the Sec. 1401(g) test even if the age was only 14 because she was only 18 at the time of birth.
Just wrong on the black letters.
Oooops. Thanks for clarifying.
LOL!
Here is another source to the same case...it sure looks like a SC case opinion to me
A remarkable sentence structure! The core of it is "another letter arrived in Kenya". What a strange passivity about that phrase, and it bears no subject-verb relationship to the "they wed". It is not "the lovebirds sent another letter", that would be clear and unambiguous. Instead the letter goes of its own volition, arriving whenever it chooses, being a letter of self-reliance, evidently.
And no date for the wedding. So nebulous!
Yet then at the end a switcheroo ... clear and firm, imperative almost -- "Barack!", born on exactly the 4th of August 1961!
That's a special pleading, eh?
An excellent idea, but is someone actually doing it?
I suspect the answer is yes but do not know of anyone who is doing it specifically. I am sitting in an ultimate remote location and the nearest resources are several hours away and probably don't include fiche copies of Hawaii press.
I know the fiche was in the Seattle Public Library ten years ago and assume when I get back there in the next week or so, I can find stuff if someone else hasn't found it first.
And what you are down to looking for is in Vital Statistics in the local papers in January and February of 1961 for a marriage license issue or for a certificate of marriage filed. And in the last week and a half of July and the first two weeks of August for a birth record publication.
And based on what I believe the facts are, you won't find either one but someone ought to look and say so.
He says something far worse than being trapped.
“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
Kinda defeats the whole point of being in an ultimate remote location, doesn't it?
That was only the first surprise. Stanley Ann began classes at the University of Hawaii in 1960, and shortly after that, Box received a letter saying that her friend had fallen in love with a grad student. He was black, from Kenya and named Obama.
About that same time, another letter crossed the Pacific, this one heading to Africa. It was from Barack Obama Sr. to his mother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama. Though the letter didn't go into great detail, it said he had met a young woman named Ann (not Stanley). There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.
Gotta run...darn chicken won't flip itself on the grill!
The way I see it, this very thread is a also national discussion Obama himself should join. Join so that he can, the son, be reconciled to his mom. And come to face in full that legacy the relationships of his parents and grandparents left in him. To help him see himself.
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