Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[DrC]

You said: “whether or not folks from India who lived in Africa would call themselves “black” is not an issue ~ the Brits called them “black” and the South African Nationalist government called them “black””

“Only white Americans make a big deal about distinguishing the various types of non-whites from each other. Hawaii was not, in 1961, run by white Americans from the 48 ~”

Well, apparently, things have changed, memories are flawed, or perhaps you’re just wrong:

“But I checked with the vital statistics registrar in Hawaii and the “African” nomenclature is incorrect. In 1961 it would have been “black” or even, “negro”.
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/12/koss-obama-birth-certificate-fake/

Also, in the source I provided earlier: “Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”” http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf pdf p. 229

Now look at the further instructions it provides regarding how things should be coded:
The category “white” includes, in addition to persons
reported as “white,” those reported as Mexican or Puerto
Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with
any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed
parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian.”
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf pdf p. 231

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but that sure sounds like Hawaiians didn’t particularly care to get mixed up with any other race!

Indeed, look at Table 2-4. Live Births by Specified Race and Sex: United States and Each State on pdf p. 49 of http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf. It lists 230 Negro births in Hawaii! Moreover, look at footnotes 3 and 4, which provide a breakdown of the Other Races category: for males: ‘Includes 2,498 births to Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (In addition, there were 336 births to Hawaiians and Part-Hawaiians residing in other States.);’ for females: ‘Includes 2,424 births to Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (In addition, there were 336 births to Hawaiians and Part-Hawaiian residing in other States.)’”

It would appear the vital statistics folks in Hawaii were substantially more fastidious about tracking Color categories than one might infer from your post.

I think you misunderestimate the value that people who work in this field attach to accurate data:
“The principal value of vital statistics data is obtained
through the presentation of such data in the form of rates,
which are computed by relating the vital events of a class
to the population of a similarly defined class. Vital statistics and population statistics must, therefore, be classified according to similarly defined systems and tabulated in comparable groups.” pdf p. 228

Indeed, there’s a whole rulebook to help keep them in bounds!
“The complete rules followed in the classification of geographic and personal items for births are set forth in the unpublished instruction manual “Coding and Punching Geographic and Personal Particulars for Births Occurring in 1961.” pdf p. 228

So you’re right that it’s not an issue of whether Indians would call themselves Black: it’s what CENSUS would have called them. It’s not my claim that bureaucrats are perfect and always follow the rules. I’m just saying that “the system” is unlikely to have allowed an error such as “African” either to be entered initially or to persist once the records were automated. Thus, if this is genuinely on Barack Obama’s birth record, it would be an anomaly: it’s certainly POSSIBLE, but not PROBABLE.

I believe this is why the poster who contacted the Hawaiian registrar got the answer above: it’s not that the registrar was trying to recall what the rules were nearly 50 years ago: only that the individual was sufficiently experienced with the rules and appropriate ways of categorizing Color or Race that it would be obvious on its face that African would not have been an acceptable response since a PLACE/COUNTRY cannot ever be accurately used to denote a RACE.

[Political Junkie Too]

Another research task that should be considered by someone with the expertise to undertake it is to learn the available airline routing between Honolulu and Kenya in the early 1960's.

I think you're right here. I've only been to the Honolulu airport a few times in the 1990's, but in 1961 I'd bet that the only flights into or out of Honolulu were to San Francisco or Tokyo, maybe Australia and Los Angeles. All the planes were props back then. So it wouldn't be surprising to section off the airport by destination city, and then have all the airline counters that service that city located in the same place. Maybe even have multiple counters for the same airline in different sections the airport, not like today.

-PJ

[RaceBannon]

yup, that’s what they say! :)

[WOSG]

“If Obama cannot produce a valid birth certificate issued inside the US, then he is not eligible to be president.”

Really now. How many of the previous 43 Presidents have done so?

” I believe that there is enough of a question about his birth place”

No there isn’t a question at all. He was born in Hawaii in 1961. To suggest otherwise is to invent things out of thin air.

“that he ought to be made to prove to the FEC that he is eligible. Is it such a big deal to produce a valid birth certificate?”

No it isn’t, which begs the question of why make the effort bark up a tree that will be proven to be a wrong tree in about 10 seconds by the Obama camp.

[bvw]

That will be a fruitful line of inquiry, imo.

[cardinal4]

That uniform looks like a Customs uniform at the airport..

[wolfcreek]

BHO and supporters wearing purple wrist bands. The thievery continues.

http://www.acswristbands.org/product_info.php?products_id=28

[WOSG]

"I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it, but this may be a fishing expedition by the Obama afectionados. The bait is he is not a legitimate candidate. They could let the the conservatives run with this and then set the hook suddenly by providing the original birth certificate. This proof of the right being wrong would make a terrific slogan in some way to obviate any and all rumors."

A very good speculation. We now know, after the fact, that the Michelle "whitey" claim seems to have been of that nature. Bob Beckel, the liberal Dem smearmonger, brings it up, and so does smoe Hillary supporter (No Quarter blog), and then within a week the Obamaniacs are blaming Rush and conservative talkers for the 'smear' that conservatives were discounting and disputing!

I am here to say that this will add up to a big heap of nothing. Maybe I'm worng but facts have not been in dispute: Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 and that makes him a natural born citizen. No U.S. birth certificate lists religion. And his full name, Barack Hussein Obama II, is already 'out there'. His Mom wasnt married? BFD, he's alreqady acting like he was raised by a single-Mom (not true though). The only worse scandal would be if he was named Barack Nixon Obama, after Richard Nixon.

[El Gato]

Me thinks by now, the original can not be found...

The fake, if that's what it is, is not of the original. BHO, or his Typical White Grandmother could probably get another certified copy, as could BHO himself. It's really just a print out from the state database, not an original document.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Here is something claiming that Obama is a citizen of Kenya:

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731

Yet here is an article claiming that Obama never went to Kenya until 1987.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/obama_lou%20tribe.htm

[Girlene]

Calpernia, here is a picture of Barack with mom, sister, Maya, and stepdad. Since Maya was born in August, 1970, and she appears to be a few months old, Barack must be between 9 and 10 in this photo. He looks very similar to the one in the airport.

[bvw]

Mom looks like Paul.

[WOSG]

“Even if he was born in Hawaii the site claims that he isn’t eligible. “

That’s clearly false and therefore bring the wholse website into disrepute.

Anyone born in Hawaii in 1961, which is a state after all, is a natural born U.S. citizen.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Ergo, he is a natural born US citizen.

[WackySam]

I have a sneaky suspicion that we’re all being played on this one.....

[Cyropaedia]

I think that in order Obama to actually qualify as a natural born citizen (as opposed to native born), and fulfill the Presidential requirement, the law at the time of his birth stipulated that at least one of the biological parents had to be a U.S. citizen, and actually lived in the United States for at least five full years after turning the age of sixteen.

Ann Dunham was 17 when she became preganant with Barack, 18 when she gave birth. Barack's father was a Kenyan immigrant. So in theory Dunham would have had to have been 21 when she had Barack Jr..

[nicotinefiend]

Do you know if anyone has gone through the Honolulu or his mother's parents hometown newspaper archives looking for BHO’s birth announcement?

Something to keep in mind though...up until about 10-15 years ago my local newspaper would not publish birth announcements for unwed mothers.

[null and void]

Here is equally valid proof that Osama bin Laden is driving a cab in LA:

It's on the internet, it must be true.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

"Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband's plans to return to Kenya."

Why was she excited if she wasn't going to go to Kenya?

She wouldn't have been excited about her husband leaving her all alone.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

[SE Mom]

If we’re being played, describe how that would look- do you accept the birth certificate is real and accurate?

[socialismisinsidious]

Thanks for the ping. The entire thing is starting to give me a headache. Here's the bottom line: is the birth certificate a forgery? Is yes then why? Could be no reason other than Dems come by lying naturally.