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Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin
Yahoo ^ | 5 Oct 2009 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock

An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake. The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ. "We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday. A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.

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To: dmz

Me, too. It won’t make any difference in my beliefs but it could be to the non-believer.


481 posted on 10/06/2009 7:51:20 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Petronski

There’s a first time for everything.


482 posted on 10/06/2009 8:00:02 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: HarleyD
People forever have sought signs from heaven. Why do people believe in a shroud and not a rainbow as a sign from God? Or a better question, why do people venerate a shroud and not a rainbow?

Well, it might be because we know why and how a rainbow is made... and we CAN make a rainbow. So far, including this attempt, we have been unable to make the Shroud.

483 posted on 10/06/2009 8:08:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Storm Cloud
(Do they deny He existed? That He was crucified? That He was buried?)

John Dominick Crossen argues exactly that... Jesus would not have been buried. His body, according to Crossen, would have been tossed into a ditch for the dogs to eat like other crucifixion victims bodies were. Some skeptics doubt his existence. Many doubt the crucifixion.

484 posted on 10/06/2009 8:40:20 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
To what end would Christ have “imposed His image on the shroud?” For what purpose?

For what purpose did Jesus Christ appear to his disciples after the crucifixion? Leaving the Shroud behind perhaps is another form of a Gospel. A means of spreading the Word and bringing more people to God.

485 posted on 10/06/2009 8:51:50 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, let’s take a walk over to the Smithy’s shop where the acrid smell of burning oil and the steamy sting of hot-dipped steel sweeps off the crucible’s Hellish gleam where the immutable meets the implacable on the hour and every night the work is put away — just to wait another day.


486 posted on 10/06/2009 9:56:47 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

We shan’t linger long for the night’s still strong so come along as we watch the idle hands at play.

Look there, there is a tear and over there a mourning bear, they spin about, go in and out, their motions free and gay, the fabric rips, the players trip and the master leads the clowns; tumbling out we barely hear them shout and only the lifted winds reach our ears as they slowly drown in unheard tears.


487 posted on 10/06/2009 10:07:23 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

I’d love to but an “Office” rerun is on. Another time perhaps. 8~)


488 posted on 10/06/2009 10:12:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Old Professer

Are you auditioning?


489 posted on 10/06/2009 10:20:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Swordmaker
For what purpose did Jesus Christ appear to his disciples after the crucifixion? Leaving the Shroud behind perhaps is another form of a Gospel. A means of spreading the Word and bringing more people to God.

But Christ explicitly said the only sign we need is His resurrection.

If Christ thinks that is sufficient for us, I believe Him.

490 posted on 10/06/2009 10:31:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Being stuck on the fifth wheel of life, the idiosyncratic’s load of the ever-burgeoning democratic — forever dragged along behind...

No buckles left to swash, no dragons brave enough to show their fiery snouts to slay; no pluck to truck, too late for Hood or Tuck, our hero slinks away.


491 posted on 10/06/2009 10:32:42 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Guilty as charged; the ultimate sin. The walls around here have gone quite deaf.


492 posted on 10/06/2009 10:35:40 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Lol. That's the best one yet.

But chin up. Still dragons lurk, under foot and over head, devouring those hid under the bed.

493 posted on 10/06/2009 11:06:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: markomalley
....and everyone today is well acquainted with the technological advances capable of producing the Shroud at the time of our Savior's Death and Resurrection. There will come a judgment at which time He will turn His back to all deniers

An eternity of flames in exchange for fifteen minutes of temporal glory.A very blind bargain with Satan.

May this so-called scientist seek His forgiveness and publicly renounce his evil mockery before his death.

494 posted on 10/07/2009 1:19:40 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Qui non intelligit aut discat aut taceat)
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To: Swordmaker
Well, it might be because we know why and how a rainbow is made... and we CAN make a rainbow.

Well, I would like to see someone attempt to make a rainbow that often stretches for miles across the skies. The purpose of the rainbow isn't for adoration. The purpose of the rainbow is to remind us of a promise of God.

And if your criteria for a relic is to imitate God's miracles, I would remind everyone that the Eygptian magicians were able to duplicate some of God's miracles with their arts. That didn't make God's miracles any less a miracle, nor did it make the magicians' art a miracle.

So far, including this attempt, we have been unable to make the Shroud.

According to this article, they have.

495 posted on 10/07/2009 1:44:54 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
According to this article, they have.

I've seen the photos of it. They haven't. Not even close.

There technique has been done before, too. Failed then, as well.

496 posted on 10/07/2009 1:55:57 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

First you say something is a quote, then when I ask for a citation you try to attribute it somewhere else, then you finally admit it’s not a quote at all. Now you are calling it inconsequential?

If this is what passes for “debate” among the Machenites it’s surprising Machen’s little subsect of a sect is unable to find members.


497 posted on 10/07/2009 4:39:58 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg
If this is what passes for “debate” among the Machenites it’s surprising Machen’s little subsect of a sect is unable to find members.

Correction: NOT surprising.

498 posted on 10/07/2009 4:40:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski
I removed the quotations marks and STILL the words and thoughts and concepts are found in ALL the many links I offered.

Actually they aren't found in ANY of them.

499 posted on 10/07/2009 4:47:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg
So what you represented as a quote was not in fact a quote.

Purporting that something is a direct quote when, in fact, it's not even an accurate summary of a direct quote would be an example of bearing false witness would it not?

500 posted on 10/07/2009 4:50:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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