SCOTUS strikes down Texas sodomy ban

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[Thane_Banquo]

SCOTUS sided with the perverts.

[Daus]

I thought the purpose of a discussion forum was to exchange ideas.

Are you new around here? :) Interesting times.... interesting times.

[Grando Calrissian]

That's just what they want you to believe.

[jethropalerobber]

A right exists regardless of whether, or not, it can be guaranteed by the govm't.

a question: then how is it created and how does it exist? just as an idea in your mind?

[88keys]

It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment...."

..."as the second Justice Harlan recognized"...

Therein lies the rub...whose "interest" and "broad" definition of the "continuum" of freedoms is not "arbitrary", but rather "reasonable and sensitive"?

Is it the proper role of the U.S. Supreme Court to determine this?

[jimt]

The problem many of us our having is that to get the result you wanted (remove sodomy from the books) you have gutted the ability of states to pass any laws that restrict sexual habits. Privacy will trump everything else.

Laws that restrict sexual habits that violate rights, like laws preventing adults from having sex with kids, or rape, will be perfectly legitimate.

There are many rights that trump the right to privacy.

[f.Christian]

It seemed that indeed the truth would be 'forever on the scaffold, and ... wrong --- forever on the throne'. With great eagerness he listened to the query, 'How long shall be the vision?'(Daniel 8:13)."

[dead]

If a bisexual man with AIDS impregnates a woman and the baby she delivers has the AIDS virus, I suppose you would advocate euthanizing that child, wouldn't you.

Taking care of that child should fall under the provence of charity.

It’s sad that you think socialism or death are the only options.

[tdadams]

The problem many of us our having is that to get the result you wanted (remove sodomy from the books) you have gutted the ability of states to pass any laws that restrict sexual habits.

That's ridiculous. The typical apocalyptic rhetoric about how nothing will be illegal anymore fails because every example given somehow violates someone else's right (i.e. pedophilia or rape) where consensual homosexuality between two adults does not.

And beyond that, for those who might be captious enough to quibble with semantics, most reasonable adults can and do discern between different sex acts. Most reasonable adults would reject the spurious premise that a dog can engage in 'consensual sex' with a human.

[PISANO]

There is NO right to PRIVACY in the CONSTITUTION. Those words DO NOT exist in the 4th amendment.

[68 grunt]

... Your history is manifest, and that point has already been reached.

In other words, you can't compete so you're running away.

Laz is right, ridicule is the answer!

[RAT Patrol]

How many billion dollars did we send to Africa to fight AIDS? How much do we spend on it here? How much do we spend telling people how to have safe sex? Isn't that the same thing but you just agree with the moralizing in that case?

[NittanyLion]

What are rights? What are their extent? Define them for me.

I'll take a shot, since no one else seems interested.

A right is anything you must do to sustain/better your life - but only if that action does not run counter to another person's ability to do the same. Your rights are the same as everyone else's, and you need ask no one for permission to exercise them. You could choose to collaborate with other individuals if you feel your collective actions will better your life, or you can choose to act alone.

Incidentally, a right can never be a claim on another person's time, intellect or property. Rather it can only be actions you take yourself or with consent of another person.

[freeeee]

to get the result you wanted (remove sodomy from the books) you have gutted the ability of states to pass any laws that restrict sexual habits.

Laws concerning non-consensual behavior will be unaffected.

Privacy will trump everything else.

What's wrong with privacy?

it could have been done at the state level by the court returning it the Texas

I agree. My only concern is that this violates the 10th Amendment.

The correct ruling would have been that Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress no power to create a federal law concerning sodomy, and that private consensual activity is a protected right under the 9th Amendment at the federal level.

And that the 10th Amendment reserves the power to regulate sodomy to the many states, as their respective constitutions allow.

[huck von finn]

How insidiously evil of them!

[freeeee]

Well, some will. For one thing, nobody can threaten them with exposure to the cops anymore.

You mean bitter spouses in the midst of a divorce can't use sodomy laws to get their estranged other thrown in jail while they gain custody of the children?

Damn.

[MineralMan]

"It seemed that indeed the truth would be 'forever on the scaffold, and ... wrong --- forever on the throne'. With great eagerness he listened to the query, 'How long shall be the vision?'(Daniel 8:13)."
"

And your point for this irrelevant post is what? You've quoted someone else from some other thread, and there is no relevance to the current thread.

[VRWC_minion]

That's ridiculous. The typical apocalyptic rhetoric about how nothing will be illegal anymore fails because every example given somehow violates someone else's right (i.e. pedophilia or rape) where consensual homosexuality between two adults does not.

Then answer me this one. So far no one has on your side.

My daughter turned 16. She is by our state's law a consenting adult. She and i agree to have consenual sex. Our right to privacy trumps the state's right to forbid us.

[88keys]

If the issue of "What is a Right?" ever becomes a major public debate, that would be an important discussion

You are so right about that, no pun intended, and it might be one of the most "enlightening" things that could happen in this day and age, LOL!

[bk1000]

"The main reason against incest and rather obvious is the detriment to the child being sexually abused or used by the adult parent"

But what if the daughter is over 18? Consenting adult, right? What if your adult daughter wanted to hook up with your 40 year old brother? No problem, right?

[VRWC_minion]

You must be pulling yer hair out!

I taught her that all guys are scum bags until she reaches 25.