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Some Scientists Think SARS May Have Come from Outer Space
LONDON (Reuters) ^ | May 22, 2003 | Patricia Reaney

Posted on 05/22/2003 5:47:54 PM PDT by TaxRelief

LONDON (Reuters) - Could SARS have come from outer space? Some scientists think so.

Instead of jumping from an unknown animal host in southern China, a few researchers in Britain believe the virus that has baffled medical experts descended from the stratosphere.

"I think it is a possibility that SARS came from space. It is a very strong possibility," Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe told Reuters.

The director of the Cardiff Center for Astrobiology in Wales and a proponent of the theory that life on Earth originated from space, admits the theory defies conventional wisdom.

But in a letter published in The Lancet medical journal on Friday he and his colleagues argue there are too many puzzling aspects about the respiratory illness that has killed nearly 700 people and infected more than 3,800 to dismiss the idea.

Other virologists believe it simply isn't possible because the virus is too fragile to survive in outer space.

"I think it is completely nuts," said Dr Anne Bridgen, a molecular virologist at the University of Ulster.

"It has a lipid (fatty) coat on the outside and it would tend to dry out in an atmosphere such as space," she told Reuters.

Professor Ian Jones, an expert in virology at the University of Reading in southern England, described the idea as bizarre.

"SARS is a new virus but it is only a new relative of a family of viruses that we understand quite well," he said, referring to the coronavirus family which includes a virus linked to the common cold.

"The difference is that it is a causing a severity of disease that we haven't seen before in the human population."

Wickramasinghe stressed that SARS suddenly appeared in China late last year and is a new coronavirus with a different genetic sequence from similar viruses in animals. Its origin has also not been traced. He believes these factors could suggest it evolved differently and may have come from a far-off place.

"There doesn't seem to have been a human origin for this. It seems to have come from somewhere else," said Dr Milton Wainwright, a molecular biologist at the University of Sheffield in England and a co-author of the letter.

"There is a lot of debate about where it could have come from and we are providing an answer," he added.

Wickramasinghe said there is no known virus that has fallen from outer space. "There is no known virus that has been picked up from high in the stratosphere," he said. "Not to date."

Yet Wickramasinghe and Wainwright believe the original outbreak in China is also significant because if the virus did fall to Earth it would most likely land east of the Himalayas, the weakest point in the stratosphere and easiest to break through.

In studies of air samples taken from 25 miles above the Earth, large numbers of micro-organisms were found, Wickramasinghe said, so it is possible SARS came from space.

"The fact that many cases in China cannot be traced to infected people means that something is dreadfully amiss in the idea of conventional wisdom," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronomy; china; cryptobiology; extremophiles; fakescience; godsgravesglyphs; humor; itcamefromouterspace; panspermia; sars; science; tinfoilhat; wickramasinghe; xplanets
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To: Darksheare
Saw a TLC/DSC thing on life in outerspace.

One of the unmanned Moon probes was partially stripped and brought back by an Apollo crew. It turned out that it wasn't
disinfected properly before it was sent to the Moon.

Anyway, there was staph on the pieces. They were able to bring the staph back to life. Not a virus, but it does bring
to light the hardiness of the more simple life forms.

Didn't earthworms survive Columbia? A virus in a deep crevice in a meteor...

And didn't the deportation of telephone sanitizers lead to the death of an entire planetary civilization?

101 posted on 05/22/2003 7:58:49 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Brian S

102 posted on 05/22/2003 7:58:49 PM PDT by Gamecock (The PCA; We don't have friars and I'm confused....)
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To: _Jim
Y-You're stut-stuttering...
103 posted on 05/22/2003 7:58:51 PM PDT by TaxRelief (you beat me on that shuttle-SARS post. LOL!)
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To: Darksheare
Saw a TLC/DSC thing on life in outerspace.

One of the unmanned Moon probes was partially stripped and brought back by an Apollo crew. It turned out that it wasn't
disinfected properly before it was sent to the Moon.

Anyway, there was staph on the pieces. They were able to bring the staph back to life. Not a virus, but it does bring
to light the hardiness of the more simple life forms.

Didn't earthworms survive Columbia? A virus in a deep crevice in a meteor...

And didn't the deportation of telephone sanitizers lead to the death of an entire planetary civilization?

104 posted on 05/22/2003 8:00:49 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TaxRelief
I k-know ... the s-system i-is s-slow.-.
105 posted on 05/22/2003 8:07:23 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: freedumb2003
My point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that SARS came from outer space. It is a coronavirus. We have had these on earth for a very long time.

It probably just mutated from some un-studied animal virus and jumped species.

106 posted on 05/22/2003 8:13:43 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: cmsgop
Some Scientists Think SARS May Have Come from Outer Space

Yeah right! It couldn't have happened due to the depravity of man. It had to be alien, because our strength is our diversity! AIDS was probably due to alien visitors as well. It couldn't have been due to antthing perverted or sick. Tolerance is a virtue!

107 posted on 05/22/2003 8:23:49 PM PDT by STD
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To: aristeides; All
Our boy Chandra has been at it a long, long time:

http://www.cf.ac.uk/maths/wickramasinghe/publx.html
108 posted on 05/22/2003 8:24:01 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: TaxRelief
Some Scientists Think SARS May Have Come from Outer Space

Some scientists think James Carville may have come from outer space.

It doesn't make it true.

109 posted on 05/22/2003 8:25:58 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
>>Some scientists think James Carville may have come from outer space.

It doesn't make it true<<

Yes, but it doesn't make it false either.

Ever notice that JC and Dennis Rodman are never in the same picture, hmmmm?

110 posted on 05/22/2003 8:29:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Larry Lucido
ahhaa!


111 posted on 05/22/2003 8:31:32 PM PDT by ALS (ConservaBabes.com - Home of ConservaBotâ„¢)
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To: Darksheare
As quoted: "It has a lipid (fatty) coat on the outside and it would tend to dry out in an atmosphere such as space," she told Reuters.

If anyone is interested in a different view of something that is reported to actually work against a lipid coated virus. You can go to one of many site on the net that discuss lauric acid at http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil.html. and read about the effect lauric acid (found greatly in coconut oil) has been shown to have in fighting them. Here is an excerpt from an article called "Facts about Fats A New Look at Coconut Oil" by Mary G. Enig, Ph.D. You may also want to continue your research at coconut-info.com. This also pretains to many other hard to treat virus etc.

V. COCONUT OIL ANTIMICROBIAL BENEFITS:
I would now like to review for you some of the rationale for the use of coconut oil as a food that will serve as the raw material to provide potentially useful levels of antimicrobial activity in the individual.
The lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections. Until just recently, this important benefit has been largely overlooked by the medical and nutrition community.
Recognition of the antimicrobial activity of the monoglyceride of lauric acid (monolaurin) has been reported since 1966. The seminal work can be credited to Jon Kabara. This early research was directed at the virucidal effects because of possible problems related to food preservation. Some of the early work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) that showed virucidal effects of monolaurin on enveloped RNA and DNA viruses was done in conjunction with the Center for Disease Control of the US Public Health Service with selected prototypes or recognized representative strains of enveloped human viruses. The envelope of these viruses is a lipid membrane.
Kabara (1978) and others have reported that certain fatty acids (e.g., medium-chain saturates) and their derivatives (e.g., monoglycerides) can have adverse effects on various microorganisms: those microorganisms that are inactivated include bacteria, yeast, fungi, and enveloped viruses.
The medium-chain saturated fatty acids and their derivatives act by disrupting the lipid membranes of the organisms (Isaacs and Thormar 1991) (Isaacs et al 1992). In particular, enveloped viruses are inactivated in both human and bovine milk by added fatty acids (FAs) and monoglycerides (MGs) (Isaacs et al 1991) as well as by endogenous FAs and MGs (Isaacs et al 1986, 1990, 1991, 1992; Thormar et al 1987).
All three monoesters of lauric acid are shown to be active antimicrobials, i.e., alpha-, alpha'-, and beta-MG. Additionally, it is reported that the antimicrobial effects of the FAs and MGs are additive and total concentration is critical for inactivating viruses (Isaacs and Thormar 1990).
The properties that determine the anti-infective action of lipids are related to their structure; e.g., monoglycerides, free fatty acids. The monoglycerides are active, diglycerides and triglycerides are inactive. Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater antiviral activity than either caprylic acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14).
The action attributed to monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope. In effect, it is reported that the fatty acids and monoglycerides produce their killing/inactivating effect by lysing the (lipid bilayer) plasma membrane. However, there is evidence from recent studies that one antimicrobial effect is related to its interference with signal transduction (Projan et al 1994).
Some of the viruses inactivated by these lipids, in addition to HIV, are the measles virus, herpes simplex virus-1 (HSV-1), vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV), visna virus, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). Many of the pathogenic organisms reported to be inactivated by these antimicrobial lipids are those known to be responsible for opportunistic infections in HIV-positive individuals. For example, concurrent infection with cytomegalovirus is recognized as a serious complication for HIV+ individuals (Macallan et al 1993). Thus, it would appear to be important to investigate the practical aspects and the potential benefit of an adjunct nutritional support regimen for HIV-infected individuals, which will utilize those dietary fats that are sources of known anti-viral, anti-microbial, and anti-protozoal monoglycerides and fatty acids such as monolaurin and its precursor lauric acid.
No one in the mainstream nutrition community seems to have recognized the added potential of antimicrobial lipids in the treatment of HIV-infected or AIDS patients. These antimicrobial fatty acids and their derivatives are essentially non-toxic to man; they are produced in vivo by humans when they ingest those commonly available foods that contain adequate levels of medium-chain fatty acids such as lauric acid. According to the published research, lauric acid is one of the best "inactivating" fatty acids, and its monoglyceride is even more effective than the fatty acid alone (Kabara 1978, Sands et al 1978, Fletcher et al 1985, Kabara 1985).
The lipid coated (envelop) viruses are dependent on host lipids for their lipid constituents. The variability of fatty acids in the foods of individuals accounts for the variability of fatty acids in the virus envelop and also explains the variability of glycoprotein expression.

I would now like to review for you some of the rationale for the use of coconut oil as a food that will serve as the raw material to provide potentially useful levels of antimicrobial activity in the individual.
The lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections. Until just recently, this important benefit has been largely overlooked by the medical and nutrition community.
Recognition of the antimicrobial activity of the monoglyceride of lauric acid (monolaurin) has been reported since 1966. The seminal work can be credited to Jon Kabara. This early research was directed at the virucidal effects because of possible problems related to food preservation. Some of the early work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) that showed virucidal effects of monolaurin on enveloped RNA and DNA viruses was done in conjunction with the Center for Disease Control of the US Public Health Service with selected prototypes or recognized representative strains of enveloped human viruses. The envelope of these viruses is a lipid membrane.
Kabara (1978) and others have reported that certain fatty acids (e.g., medium-chain saturates) and their derivatives (e.g., monoglycerides) can have adverse effects on various microorganisms: those microorganisms that are inactivated include bacteria, yeast, fungi, and enveloped viruses.
The medium-chain saturated fatty acids and their derivatives act by disrupting the lipid membranes of the organisms (Isaacs and Thormar 1991) (Isaacs et al 1992). In particular, enveloped viruses are inactivated in both human and bovine milk by added fatty acids (FAs) and monoglycerides (MGs) (Isaacs et al 1991) as well as by endogenous FAs and MGs (Isaacs et al 1986, 1990, 1991, 1992; Thormar et al 1987).
All three monoesters of lauric acid are shown to be active antimicrobials, i.e., alpha-, alpha'-, and beta-MG. Additionally, it is reported that the antimicrobial effects of the FAs and MGs are additive and total concentration is critical for inactivating viruses (Isaacs and Thormar 1990).
The properties that determine the anti-infective action of lipids are related to their structure; e.g., monoglycerides, free fatty acids. The monoglycerides are active, diglycerides and triglycerides are inactive. Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater antiviral activity than either caprylic acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14).
The action attributed to monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope. In effect, it is reported that the fatty acids and monoglycerides produce their killing/inactivating effect by lysing the (lipid bilayer) plasma membrane. However, there is evidence from recent studies that one antimicrobial effect is related to its interference with signal transduction (Projan et al 1994).
Some of the viruses inactivated by these lipids, in addition to HIV, are the measles virus, herpes simplex virus-1 (HSV-1), vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV), visna virus, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). Many of the pathogenic organisms reported to be inactivated by these antimicrobial lipids are those known to be responsible for opportunistic infections in HIV-positive individuals. For example, concurrent infection with cytomegalovirus is recognized as a serious complication for HIV+ individuals (Macallan et al 1993). Thus, it would appear to be important to investigate the practical aspects and the potential benefit of an adjunct nutritional support regimen for HIV-infected individuals, which will utilize those dietary fats that are sources of known anti-viral, anti-microbial, and anti-protozoal monoglycerides and fatty acids such as monolaurin and its precursor lauric acid.
No one in the mainstream nutrition community seems to have recognized the added potential of antimicrobial lipids in the treatment of HIV-infected or AIDS patients. These antimicrobial fatty acids and their derivatives are essentially non-toxic to man; they are produced in vivo by humans when they ingest those commonly available foods that contain adequate levels of medium-chain fatty acids such as lauric acid. According to the published research, lauric acid is one of the best "inactivating" fatty acids, and its monoglyceride is even more effective than the fatty acid alone (Kabara 1978, Sands et al 1978, Fletcher et al 1985, Kabara 1985).
The lipid coated (envelop) viruses are dependent on host lipids for their lipid constituents. The variability of fatty acids in the foods of individuals accounts for the variability of fatty acids in the virus envelop and also explains the variability of glycoprotein expression.
112 posted on 05/22/2003 8:40:20 PM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Amerigomag
"...the obvious possibilty ... SARS was created in a lab. "

I have heard reports suggesting the real possibility that the Peoples Army research sites in China had been testing bio-weapons near the location of the initial outbreaks.
(can't recall source, though).
If it kills about 16% of those contacted it isn't in the category of smallpox.
113 posted on 05/22/2003 8:41:34 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: Bellflower
Summary please.
114 posted on 05/22/2003 8:45:38 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Calvin Locke
Didn't earthworms survive Columbia?

"First class accomodations in the science-lab deck."

Let's see, what's the physiological makeup of an earthworm anyway - does it posses a cardiovascular system, a skeletal framework, a brain?

What was it/what were they 'riding in' at the time of the accident?

The equivalent of a small-butter tub or better?

115 posted on 05/22/2003 8:49:02 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: TaxRelief
You should have spoken up before, we can handle it for you.


116 posted on 05/22/2003 8:49:52 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: TaxRelief
Summary please.

"Coconut oil a is a lovely oil for popping popcorn in and also may provide a means by which certain viral contagion's effects may be warded off, reduded or otherwise mitigated.

Please be sure and pick some up on the way past your local grocer ..."

117 posted on 05/22/2003 8:52:15 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Brian S
When God does decide to pull up "Earth's file", we just might be in a world of hurt. ;)

Sometimes I think we're in for a SERIOUS ZOT.    :-)
118 posted on 05/22/2003 8:56:17 PM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: _Jim
You must have missed ...the hardiness of the more simple life forms.

Okay, granted, I was implying virus/bacteria stuff in that paragraph...

119 posted on 05/22/2003 8:56:44 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
the hardiness of the more simple life forms.

It's all relative - earthworms from 250,000 feet or viri/bacterium from x number of light years ...

120 posted on 05/22/2003 8:59:51 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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