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Javanese Fossil Skull Provides New Insights into Ancient Humans
Scientific American ^ | 28 February 2002 | Sarah Graham

Posted on 02/28/2003 3:48:16 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A routine construction dig has turned up a fossil skull that is giving scientists a better glimpse inside the head of our ancient predecessor, Homo erectus. According to a report published today in the journal Science, the find suggests that the H. erectus population that occupied the island of Java was isolated from other Asian populations and probably made only minimal genetic contributions to the ancestry of modern humans.

So far, more than 20 hominid skull fossils have been found at sites in Java. The latest, dubbed Sm 4 (see image), was recovered from the bed of the Solo River in central Java and is one of the largest yet discovered on the island. Hisao Baba of the University of Tokyo and his colleagues analyzed the skull, comparing it to previously discovered specimens. They found that Sm 4 shares certain characteristics, such as a flat top, with skulls dating to more than a million years ago. But Sm 4 also exhibits similarities to much younger fossils from Eastern Java--the shape of a nerve opening near the temple, for example. The researchers thus conclude that Sm 4 is an intermediary between earlier and later Javanese H. erectus. This suggests that the species lived on the island continuously for more than a million years, contrary to the hypothesis that distinct, consecutive migrations to the area occurred.

Sm 4 also presents the best look yet at a particular feature of H. erectus's head known as the cranial base, a bony shelf behind the eyes that helps support the brain. Using computer imaging to probe the skull's interior, the team found that its cranial base is surprisingly modern in being sharply angled, or flexed. This, the researchers note, suggests that the larger brains of modern humans evolved independent of changes to the support on which they rest.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: archaeology; creationism; crevolist; darwin; erectus; evolution; flores; fossil; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; hobbits; homoerectus; homofloresiensis; indonesia; java; javaman; multiregionalism; nagpra
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To: AndrewC
Exactly!
21 posted on 02/28/2003 8:57:23 AM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
What does the evo model's ability to predict have to do with whether the prediction was related to man, dog or squid?

I guess it's you that doesn't get it (Once more, as you say). Your statement, Once more, you read but do not comprehend, does indeed apply to your response.

22 posted on 02/28/2003 8:57:29 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
Oh ye of willful ignorance. The being in question does not lie directly upon the lineage leading to modern man, being isolated from those H. Erecti who gave rise to H. Sapiens. The basic prediction is that they would not have features associated with H. Sapiens that are not shared by our lineal H. Erecti. However, this particular branch has a feature of modern skulls evidently not found in our direct lineal H. Erecti.
23 posted on 02/28/2003 9:06:03 AM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: PatrickHenry
Let me guess. They were short, had large front teeth, and carried cameras everywhere they went.
24 posted on 02/28/2003 9:29:33 AM PST by Timmy
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To: blam
Related to Australias Mungo Man?

I donno. We had a short-lived Mungo Man thread a week ago. If you reach any conclusions, let us know:
New Age For Mungo Man, New Human History.

25 posted on 02/28/2003 10:48:25 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: PatrickHenry
Yup. I know. I posted one here even earlier. See my comments here.

Date For First Australians

26 posted on 02/28/2003 11:49:15 AM PST by blam
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To: PatrickHenry
"This suggests that the species lived on the island continuously for more than a million years, contrary to the hypothesis that distinct, consecutive migrations to the area occurred."

This is BS. We all know that during each Ice Age all these islands are recombined with the Asian Mainland through the Sunda Shelf. Sunda Shelf

I just completed reading a book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, by Dr Robert Scoch (PhD, Geology and Geophysics)and he speculates that all the world's pyramid cultures originated there. He thinks the folks that lived on the Sunda Shelf (as it went underwater at the end of the last Ice Age) in a number of waves, migrated to Mexico,the middle east, Europe and etc. Also, he says that if there was an Atlantis, it is probably on the submerged Sunda Shelf.

BTW, he says that the 'underwater pyramids' off the coast of Japan are natural formations. He also expects the 'underwater city' off the coast of Cuba to be a natural formation.

27 posted on 02/28/2003 12:09:07 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Also, he says that if there was an Atlantis, it is probably on the submerged Sunda Shelf.

A long way from Plato's stomping grounds. I guess rumors really got around in those days.

28 posted on 02/28/2003 12:13:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: PatrickHenry
"A long way from Plato's stomping grounds. I guess rumors really got around in those days."

History is filled with 'stories' of sea people. Solon said that Atlantis sank under the waves, wouldn't that produce sea people? Look at the similarities of Noah's and Gilgamesh's flood stories, no doubt they have common origins....The Gilgamesh story predates Noah's by many, many years.

The oldest and largest pyramid ever discovered is in South America, not Egypt. Tell me you haven't ever wondered about the commonality and similarities of the world's pyramids.

29 posted on 02/28/2003 12:25:51 PM PST by blam
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To: PatrickHenry
Eden In The East
30 posted on 02/28/2003 12:32:04 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Hi Blam - a while back somebody (maybe you?) posted a link to a really great map of the world during the last Ice Age, showing how much land was exposed. I have been looking for it to no avail.

I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else could repost the link. Thanks.
31 posted on 02/28/2003 12:54:30 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: blam
Tell me you haven't ever wondered about the commonality and similarities of the world's pyramids.

I really haven't. The pyramid shape isn't all that remarkable, and if the labor supply and stone supply are both available, it's a rather obvious, brute-force way of building a tall structure, apparently within the technological abilities of some early societies. The pyramids in South America are platforms, intended to be mounted by stairs for priestly functions at the summit, and are thus quite different in function from the pyramids in Egypt. Not all that much "commonality," really. I don't absolutely rule out the possibility of some form of contacts between these cultures, but the pyramids on both sides of the ocean aren't at all conclusive. Not even persuasive, at least to me.

32 posted on 02/28/2003 12:57:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: Timmy
What is the point of this comment? I see little to none.
33 posted on 02/28/2003 1:50:57 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: PatrickHenry
"The pyramids in South America are platforms, intended to be mounted by stairs for priestly functions at the summit, and are thus quite different in function from the pyramids in Egypt."

You mean like this Ziggurat in Mesopotamia? The early Egyptian pyramids were stepped like those in South America.

Ziggurat

34 posted on 02/28/2003 3:33:45 PM PST by blam
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To: CobaltBlue
"I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else could repost the link. Thanks."

I did have it bookmarked but, it's missing. Later, I will look through my bookmarked threads....it's posted there somewhere. Remind me if I don't get back to you.

35 posted on 02/28/2003 3:52:16 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
You mean like this Ziggurat in Mesopotamia?

Grumble, mumble. I'm gonna think about it some more.

36 posted on 02/28/2003 4:03:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Grumble, mumble. I'm gonna think about it some more."

Just speculation, mind you. I'm not completely sold on the idea either....does make one think.

37 posted on 02/28/2003 4:22:58 PM PST by blam
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To: PatrickHenry
You're missing the amazing commonalities of the pyramids, no matter where they are located. Somehow, the ancients were able to make every single pyramid on Earth to point 180 degrees away from the center of the planet. Some people claim they did this without any modern equipment or the vantagepoint of a spacecraft.

If some were pointing toward the center of the planet, and some at oblique angles from the core, then one could make the claim that other similarities were simply coincident. But the precision of this orientation defies explanation.
38 posted on 02/28/2003 4:36:28 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: blam
I'm not completely sold on the idea either....does make one think.

Interesting coincidence. Not inexplicable, however. It's quite possible that unconnected societies could develop the same basic geometric shape for the same function. It will take many more data points to make a credible case for a genuine commonality of the cultures. Like language, art, mythology, weaponry, trade items, etc. You understand.

39 posted on 02/28/2003 4:37:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: blam; CobaltBlue
I got it for ya!

Ice Age Sea Level Map

40 posted on 02/28/2003 4:43:59 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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