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'Oldest Star Chart' Found (32,500 Years Old)
BBC ^ | 1-21-2003 | Dr. David Whetstone

Posted on 01/21/2003 1:19:52 PM PST by blam

Tuesday, 21 January, 2003, 10:50 GMT

'Oldest star chart' found

The carvings have been interpreted as a star map

By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor

The oldest image of a star pattern, that of the famous constellation of Orion, has been recognised on an ivory tablet some 32,500 years old. The tiny sliver of mammoth tusk contains a carving of a man-like figure with arms and legs outstretched in the same pose as the stars of Orion.

The claim is made by Dr Michael Rappenglueck, formerly of the University of Munich, who is already renowned for his pioneering work locating star charts painted on the walls of prehistoric caves.

The tablet also contains mysterious notches, carved on its sides and on its back. These could be a primitive "pregnancy calendar", designed to estimate when a pregnant woman will give birth.

Man-like figure

It was found in 1979 in a cave in the Ach Valley in the Alb-Danube region of Germany. Carbon dating of bone ash deposits found next to the tablet suggest it is between 32,500 and 38,000 years old, making it one of the oldest representations of a man ever found.

It was left behind by the mysterious Aurignacian people about whom we know next to nothing save that they moved into Europe from the east supplanting the indigenous Neanderthals.

The ivory tablet is small, measuring only 38 x 14 x 4 millimetres, but from the notches carved into its edges archaeologists believe that it was made that size and is not a fragment of something bigger.

On one side of the tablet is the man-like being with his legs apart and arms raised. Between his legs hangs what could be a sword and his waist is narrow. His left leg is shorter than his right one.

Rappenglueck has found other evidence

From what is speculated about the myths of these ancient peoples before the dawn of history, archaeologists have suggested that the man-like figure could be praying or dancing, or be a half-man, half-cat, or a divine being.

But Michael Rappenglueck thinks it is a drawing of the constellation of Orion that is nowadays, and was perhaps also 32,000 years ago, called the hunter.

The proportions of the man correspond to the pattern of stars that comprise Orion, especially its slim waist - which corresponds to its famous belt of three stars and the left "leg" of the constellation being shorter.

The "sword" on the ivory tablet also corresponds to a famous and well-know feature that can be seen in Orion.

There are also other indications that Dr Rappenglueck may be correct.

The stars were in slightly different positions 32,000 years ago because they are moving across the sky at different speeds and in different directions, a phenomenon called "proper motion".

Dr Rappenglueck allowed for this effect by using a computer program to wind back the sky and found evidence for a particular star in Orion that was in a different place all those years ago.

Human gestation period

The tablet may also be a pregnancy calendar.

There are 86 notches on the tablet, a number that has two special meanings.

First, it is the number of days that must be subtracted from a year to equal the average number of days of a human gestation. This is no coincidence, says Dr Rappenglueck.

It is also the number of days that one of Orion's two prominent stars, Betelguese, is visible. To ancient man, this might have linked human fertility with the gods in the sky.

Orion is one of the most striking constellations. The Ancient Egyptians identified it with their god Osiris and it has a special significance for many cultures throughout history throughout the world.


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To: Cacophonous
"Who was Liz Taylor married to back then?"

That's the funniest response I've ever read in FR.

61 posted on 09/22/2004 12:01:16 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: blam

Amazing, every time I turn around, they find something older. What is the lastest thinking about how old man is now?


62 posted on 09/22/2004 12:12:02 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion
" What is the lastest thinking about how old man is now?"

I think it depends on your defination of 'man.' It's over a million but less than 3 million, IIRC.

63 posted on 09/22/2004 11:27:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Between his legs hangs what could be a sword

SCCCHHHWING!

If the back is a "pregnancy calendar", then maybe that's not really a "sword" between his legs... maybe he's just bragging.

These guys must smoke some good pot to come up with these assumptions about fossils and artifacts...

64 posted on 09/22/2004 11:34:40 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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"Not bad, considering that the sword wasn't invented for another 25,000 years. "

How sure are you of that and based on what? ...and please don't refer to the pat history books we had in 6th grade.

Consider the question, what in our society would be left to observe 30,000 years from now?

65 posted on 09/22/2004 11:35:30 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: Lloyd227
"Not bad, considering that the sword wasn't invented for another 25,000 years. " How sure are you of that and based on what? ...and please don't refer to the pat history books we had in 6th grade. Consider the question, what in our society would be left to observe 30,000 years from now?

Earliest swords -- copper -- date back to about 3,500 BC. It's that simple.

66 posted on 09/22/2004 1:22:30 PM PDT by pabianice
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67 posted on 07/25/2005 9:32:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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68 posted on 02/16/2008 10:02:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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"A link back here from DC turned up during a search for something else."

LOL...funny how that works. Did you notice that I got 'stuck' on the old 'Calico' thread this week?

I sometimes get lost for hours during a search, lol.

69 posted on 02/16/2008 10:33:18 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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70 posted on 11/14/2010 8:38:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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