[Hodar]

''First and foremost, are we not entitled to freedom of speech?'' Youngblood said.

Yes, he is entitled to free speech, but there is also the issue of slander. The bible has more than one reference to genocide, in which a race was obliterated with God's blessing. If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad.

[syriacus]

The bible has more than one reference to genocide

But ....

The sign refers to Jesus' sayings.

Where, in the Bible, did Jesus support genocide?

[Guillermo]

Where in the New Testament (the BASIS for Christianity) does it condone genocide?

The Korans reference to murder and mayhem were for then and evermore. The OT admonitions to kill the Amelekites were for then and only them.

Your moral equivalance is absurd and anti-intellectual.

[Centurion2000]

. If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad.

That's a load of crap as well. If you look at the Koran it systematically bears witness to the violence of it's religion.

Shall we compare ???

From the Koran, Hadith:
You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]
But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah?
Here are but a few passages:
-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.
- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).
- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101).
Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them.
They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90).
"Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).
- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).
- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)
- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).
- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).
- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).
- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).
- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
-Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).
- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)
- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)
- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)
- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

Kinda sucks to get a real smackdown, don't it Hodar?

[Just mythoughts]

This preacher's duty is to teach the Word not stir up a hornet's nest. I see no good coming from deliberately trying to insult another religion.

This preacher needs to pay more attention to his own house of worship, by using Reverend as his title, he seems not to have read the Bible, it says to reverence no man. We Christians are to set the example.

Teaching the Bible from Old to New will upset plenty of people if that is what one is after, no need to try and start a fight.

[Concerned]

HODAR WROTE: "The bible has more than one reference to genocide, in which a race was obliterated with God's blessing. [Emphasis by Concerned] If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad."

The difference is that GOD---the Creator of the Universe--- instructs followers to do HIS will.

Dead-human Muhammad is/was NOT God!

[carolina rebel]

I would just suggest that you do some more studying of the Bible... there is a Old Testament and a New Testament, Jesus came to fullfill the law and replace the beliefs of the old testament with the word of his Father.
The Koran was just dictated to Mohammad by God, Therefore there is no seperation in time or thought.
Please do some studing before you propose to pontificate.

[AppyPappy]

Good question

Where, in the Bible, did Jesus support genocide?

<< crickets >>

[SauronOfMordor]

The bible has more than one reference to genocide, in which a race was obliterated with God's blessing. If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad.

The violent passages you refer to in the Old Testament, have been superceded by the doctrine of peace in the New Testament.

The peaceful pasages in the Quran were superceded by the later-written passages urging violence against unbelievers

[VOA]

Yes, he is entitled to free speech, but there is also the issue of slander.

Truth/Accuracy is one of the legal defenses to the charge of slander
(at least that's what I've been told).

After watching the FrontLine/World episode on the Muslim riots over one sentence
by a journalist, and the joys of Shari'a law...it's time to make sure this sort
of medieval, retrograde culture doesn't infect this country.
Just my opinion, but I'm sure some Islamic would want to sue me for it,
but more likely would just go ahead and kill me for this sort of blasphemy...

[StopGlobalWhining]

I don't believe that any true Christian religion condones killing as a consequence of failing to "believe". In Islam, if a muslin rejects or renounces his or her religion, they can be executed for apostasy.

The verse reads: ''O Prophet [Muhammad]! Inspire the believers to conquer all fear of death when fighting, [so that] if there be twenty of you who are patient in adversity, they might overcome two hundred; and if there be one hundred of you, they might overcome one-thousand of those bent on denying the truth, because they are people who cannot grasp it.''

[HamiltonJay]

Ahh.. but you are confusing the message... the sign does not say that "GOD" in the old testiment forbade murder, it says JESUS forbade murder, which is absolutely correct! Show me one reference to jesus condoning or sanctioning murder in any Bible.

Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ. The covenant of the old testament was suplanted by the new. Islam is based upon the teachings of Mohommad, who not only condoned murder, but personally engaged in not only killing, but sex with children and had no qualms using his "prophet" status to steal one of his own sons wives.

Mohommed was the Jesse Jackson of his time, an pathetic opportunist out for himself. Please don't insult everyone here by trying to claim he was a moral or spiritual equivalent of Jesus.

[Gargantua]

Whatever the Koran says, there are Muslims who strap bombs laden with nails to themselves, and detonate their towel-wrapped asses in crowds of innocent civilians.

These rag-tops use Muhammed's teaching in the Koran as their justification for these crimes against humanity.

Ergo...

By the way, you don't hear weekly reports about Christians blowing themselves and a dozen adolescent Muslims to bits in Gaza, now do you? Why is that...?

[go star go]

Islam is all about murdering innocent people. What the hell do you think happened on 9/11?

[Michael2001]

If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad.

Yes but as you said you would have to take them out of context, which is why you don't have millions of Churches teaching their followers to kill non-Christians. Islam is in fact a violent religion, and is the source of our conflict today.