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50 States and DC Ranked in Order by Livability of their Better Areas; according to crystalk
8-19-02 | crystalk

Posted on 08/19/2002 11:52:05 AM PDT by crystalk

STATES RATED [Assumes you will grow up, raise a family, or retire--in an AVG spot in the BEST 25% of the State]

[If no regional preference is shown, it means entire State about equally good overall, pick your own best.]

1. Florida [Best areas are in NE, NW, or SW. So friendly and so many jobs, climate an extra.]

2. Georgia [Avoid areas within 35 mi of Atlanta center; better not too close to AL line.]

3. Virginia [Avoid areas >5 mi NW of I-81; if TIED to DC area, live in Va.]

4. South Carolina [better NW and around lgr cities. or in gated comm]

5. North Carolina [Better in West; less good >15 mi E of CLT-GSO line]

6. Tennessee [Much better to E of N’vl-Chatt line]

7. Texas [Best areas SCen or beaches; avoid Mx border zone.]

8. Kentucky [Avoid E 30% of state, or W’most 10%.]

9. Mississippi [Better in S 40% of state, or near universities.]

10. Arkansas [Best in NW; avoid SE 44% of state.]

11. Oklahoma [Better in E/SE 60% of state]

12. Louisiana [Better near NO or lg cities, but if you love Cajuns go Anywhere in S half.]

13. Alabama [Better in Mobile/coast area; or in/near sizable cities, or N/NE area.]

14. Arizona [Best in Cen or SE areas. Pretty desert, pretty hot.]

15. Nevada [Bracing weather in N 90% of state; Vegas and Ariz-type climate in S; low taxes.]

16. New Mexico [Interesting, not as hot as AZ; N half is cold in winter.]

17. Idaho [Climate less cold than you think; beautiful. Boise booms.]

18. Utah [Climate and Mormons not as cold as feared. Scenery forever.]

19. Indiana [Better in Cen, SCen, SE. E areas; avoid the Gary/Chicago area in NW.]

20. South Dakota [Unique place, Indians, Colleges. Scenery better and climate less bad in W qtr]

21. Colorado [better out of City limit of Denver; plains E/SE and deserts W & NW less good.]

22. Oregon [deserts E sunny chilly and lonely; W 40% mild, drizzly, England-style, take your pick]

23. Kansas [better in E 30% or S 30%, of state; avoid in-city Wichita, KC, Topeka.]

24. Wyoming. [Just what you’d think, in all four corners and the center.]

25. West Virginia [best in E half of state, or Chas/Hntgtn area, or near Ohio R; avoid SW and SCen]

26. Pennsylvania [even in Phil & Pitts, some livable areas]

27. Delaware [Only state in NE with net inflow of population, but room runs out soon.]

28. Ohio [Avoid the city limits of largest 6 or 8 cities]

29. New Hampshire [Unique, snowy but low taxes, builds character.]

30. Washington [S half and E quarter really better than popular Seattle area in NW]

31. Maryland [Avoid area within 25 miles of downtown DC or Baltimore.]

32. Montana [Remote chic, or just remote? Neighboring states offer better for less.]

33. Missouri [Better in S half; avoid StL or KC city limits absolutely; their areas if possible.]

34. Rhode Island [New England, but not so stuffy. Good sailing. Italian, family oriented.]

35. Maine [Remote like Montana, but lives on lobster & welfare instead of cattle.]

36. Connecticut [A used-ta-be FTMP. Avoid Hartford; E third of state not as bad.]

37. New Jersey [No-go areas getting smaller, but stay out of Camden, Elizabeth, and Newark.]

38. California [Get real Mexico at $15/day; avoid this $750/day 3d world. Polluted, Baja is Better.]

39. Nebraska [American Gothic; prairie still wholesome. Nice folks, Go Big Red!]

40. Hawaii [Corrupt, expensive, a social catastrophe in the making? Trouble in paradise.]

41. Iowa [Hogs, corn, freezing cold, some of looniest leftist universities anywhere.]

42. Michigan [Avoid SE and rust belts. Snowy. Rural areas lovely in summer.]

43. Illinois [Big city, decent areas far to S, but still 24 pts below IN and 6 below NJ!]

44. Minnesota [Beginning to wake up from Marxist dreams, but still cold as ever]

45. Wisconsin [9 months frozen; 3 of mosquitoes, leftist state U attracts kooks. Cheesy.]

46. Alaska [Not all of state is as cold as feared; envo-wackos, moose, affirm-action natives, grizzlies.]

47. North Dakota [Nice people, but who deserves THIS climate?]

48. Massachusetts [Loony-left Tax Hell , with once-great universities. Avoid Boston, Brockton.]

49. New York State [ Tax Hell. NYC OK for richest; see lower Hudson valley & Long Is; forget rest.]

50. Vermont [Taxes and enviro- wackos. Hell freezes over, with maple syrup and socialism.]

51. Dis. of Col. [Dangerous, dirty city has tourist sites, universities. Power in the air, though.]


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To: crystalk
not too bad from my experience...I would have to say that Vermont is actually a nice place with many nice people. Their politics would drive any good FReeper crazy though...

also, don't tell people that you like North Florida...we already have enough people moving here!

21 posted on 08/19/2002 1:01:23 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Brad Cloven
Get back to us on the weather in Fargo in a couple of months...
22 posted on 08/19/2002 1:04:16 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: gdani
The truth hurts?
23 posted on 08/19/2002 1:05:10 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: crystalk
Florida is number one? Well, it has a few things going for it besides a lack of snow. There are no personal income taxes, the gun laws are probably the best in the country, and it's a right-to-work state. The legislature is Republican, both houses. Unreliable Supreme Court, as all the world now knows, and it's the home of Janet Reno.
24 posted on 08/19/2002 1:08:25 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: crystalk
New Mexico and AZ have nearly identical weather. The big difference is that the bigger cities in AZ are in the south and in NM they're in the north. I see you like humidity. Glad that AZ made the top of your list for places that are dry.
25 posted on 08/19/2002 1:10:07 PM PDT by discostu
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To: Brad Cloven
Had heard that Fargo was a pretty good place to live then looked at crime statistics. West Fargo looks great but the much larger Fargo seems to have real problems with some spill over to West Fargo involving burglary etc. Comment?

Crime statistics Fargo, ND and West Fargo, ND 2000 FBI Uniform Crime Reports Crimes per 100,000 population

Natl. average Fargo, ND West Fargo, ND

Population 114,967 89,315 14,672

Violent crimes murder, rape, robbery & assault 506.1 120.9 13.6

Property crimes burglary, larceny & auto theft 3,617.9 3,102.4 1,758.4

Murder 5.5 1.1 0.0

Forcible rape 32.0 45.9 0.0

Robbery 144.9 21.3 0.0

Aggravated assault 323.6 52.6 13.6

Burglary 728.4 356.0 265.8

Larceny-theft 2,475.3 2,515.8 1,390.4

Motor vehicle theft 414.2 230.6 102.2

Arson 32.2 n/a n/a

26 posted on 08/19/2002 1:10:08 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: crystalk
If you enjoy doing anything other than watching grass grow, this list will be pretty useless to you.

Sorry, I can't live anyplace that doesn't have critical mass for culture (i.e., it can support museums, concerts, foreign films, bands in a variety of clubs). I figure the cutoff to be about 3 million. Any smaller than that is gonna be dull.

27 posted on 08/19/2002 1:17:14 PM PDT by mykej
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To: Kozak
Awwwwwww, shucks, man...come to West Virginny. We're all one big happy fambly....REALLY!!!!
28 posted on 08/19/2002 1:21:44 PM PDT by bureaucrud
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To: Brad Cloven
Maybe so, but it was one of the worst movies of the last decade.
29 posted on 08/19/2002 1:23:30 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: crystalk
"33. Missouri [Better in S half; avoid StL or KC city limits absolutely; their areas if possible.]"

Staying out of KC is perfectly understandable. Better in S half? How? No baseball, hockey, art museums, symphonies, decent Italian food...

Maybe this means the transients and fair-weather crowd will stay away. Now if we could just get the overpasses replaced.

30 posted on 08/19/2002 1:32:09 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Brad Cloven
Glad you like it there. Obviously, a milder climate permitting some outdoor activity, ranked higher on my scale than on yours.

I had an ancestor who farmed in NE SOUTH Dakota for a generation, and they always loved it and wanted to go back every summer...

But I notice you posted your GARBAGE bill, not your HEATING bill, on a 3600-ft house in Fargo!

31 posted on 08/19/2002 1:38:20 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: gdani
All American, All English speaking, and Half the Cost of Living, in a generally milder and outdoorable climate, with far less crowding.

Blacks may be from 3rd world ultimately but have been here a long time and are Americans now...

32 posted on 08/19/2002 1:40:08 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Mr. Jeeves
If we are going to discuss Mexico, I've always preferred Michoacan.

One-twelfth the cost of living. Better climate than anywhere in Alta California.

33 posted on 08/19/2002 1:43:16 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Fithal the Wise
I don't know the source of your data. I have seen that ND is the lowest crime in the Nation, though Fargo may vary from that.

Nobody locks their house doors. Cars are left running with the doors open and the valuables visible while at the mini-mart. The local museum (Bonanzaville) has priceless heirlooms, including guns, out for display with no security.

34 posted on 08/19/2002 1:44:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Brad Cloven
yes, but when January comes around, it's like living on the moon.
35 posted on 08/19/2002 1:45:19 PM PDT by strider44
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To: Kozak
Have you seen all that beautiful forested land, for about $1500 an acre, the whole NW part of the State, lovely hills of Ozarks and Ouachitas, rock bottom cost of living, largest corporation in USA headquartered in Bentonville with about 15,000 people, non-diverse population, moderate climate, great drinking water, ...

I said, avoid the southeastern 44% of Ark, but look at Eureka Springs, Fayetteville (Univ. and Bubba didn't graduate there)...Siloam Springs, entire N and W, even Mena if you don't mind being in Bush country...

36 posted on 08/19/2002 1:46:57 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: hoosierboy
Getting your hand froze to the metal must be a bitch though.
37 posted on 08/19/2002 1:48:23 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: gdani
I like how California (#38) is described as "Third World" yet Tennessee (#6), Kentucky (#8) and Mississippi (#9) are all in the top 10.

First, look at California's governer. That ought to tell you something about more than half the voting public (unless there was rampant fraud in their last election). Second, we have water and a majority of people in Tenn, KY, and Miss. are actually American citizens.

38 posted on 08/19/2002 1:49:04 PM PDT by meyer
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To: sciencediet
I'll look at Boston, MA through the pages of National Geographic. Don't think they'd pay to bury me if I ventured in there and got shot.
39 posted on 08/19/2002 1:50:36 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Well it looks like our yankee friends took a beating on this one.
40 posted on 08/19/2002 1:50:45 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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