Posted on 01/23/2016 8:47:03 AM PST by ironman
Let me be clear - I am pro-life. I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk. I did not always hold this position, but I had a significant personal experience that brought the precious gift of life into perspective for me. My story is well documented, so I will not retell it here. However, what I will do with the remaining space is express my feelings about life, and the culture of life, as we just marked the 43rd anniversary of Roe v. Wade.
I build things. There is a process involved in building things.......The rules for putting structures together are as strict as are the rules of physics. These rules have stood the test of time and have become the path to putting together structures that endure and are beautiful. America, when it is at its best, follows a set of rules that have worked since our Founding. One of those rules is that we, as Americans, revere life and have done so since our Founders made it the first, and most important, of our "unalienable" rights.
Over time, our culture of life in this country has started sliding toward a culture of death. Perhaps the most significant piece of evidence to support this assertion is that since Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Count 43 years ago, over 50 million Americans never had the chance to enjoy the opportunities offered by this country. They never had the chance to become doctors, musicians, farmers, teachers, husbands, fathers, sons or daughters. They never had the chance to enrich the culture of this nation or to bring their skills, lives, loves or passions into the fabric of this country. They are missing, and they are missed.
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Well said. Before Roe vs Wade I was on a debate team. In consecutive weeks I had to argue both sides I won both debates and had room in tears both times.
Your points are well taken Abortion is just a symptom of a much larger problem
Btw, Trump has been up in arms against Common Core and has said that we should dump the Education Dept. Says education is important and should be local.
Also says we should cut the EPA.
I have no problem with that.
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Others have produced your documentation keep it handy for next time.
BTW at one time I too was writing a book with an editor. She became unavailable and the project ended. I kept the material we worked on. The property belongs to me. It is my ideas. She was a paid assistance
I think abortion is the closest thing to an ultimate abomination; I’m just being honest about the attitude towards abortion that most Americans seem to have, that it’s something they don’t like but no one should tell a woman what she can do about it.
I’m not a Trump supporter. But I think there is a good answer for that.
With Bush III (and any of the establishment candidates), We may get 50%, but it’s always the 50% the left lets the GOPe have, the things the left deem “scraps”, and the 50% of the things that left really want, are willing to have a show down over, the GOPe establish will cave and let them have it every time. That’s why we never defund PP, we never block any of their leftwing judges, we never build a wall to stop illegals entering. We might get a tax cut here or a regulation removed there. But the bottom line is the GOPe only gets us table scraps and point to them as the reason why we need them.
Trump, on the other hand, is willing to change the paradigm. He’s not going to go there and just be happy with the scraps and pretend they are victories. He’s going to change the paradigm that the left gets everything they really want and we get the leftovers, he’s going to fight for some of the things we want and willing to fight to take it from the left.
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numerous freepers are being stalked and attacked. Let Jim take care of it !
Why should a woman be forced to give birth to the child of the scumbag who raped her? She didn’t ask to become pregnant.
Go, Cruz, GO!! Get them numbers up, baby.
Meanwhile, if Trump gets it, you can bet your sweet bippy I’ll be all in Trump!!
Go, Cruz, GO!!
Go, Trump, GO!!
Either way, we win, they lose.
The rebellion is on!
Join or die.
my sins could take three hours in confession, but i’ve Never once before read on FR where abortion for rape or incest was acceptable, no matter the “greater good”.
If a person thinks that the number of lives lost to these exceptions is worth the saving of the country, in their opinion, they should say it.
not say it is a “straw-man argument”.
real babies will be aborted by real raped women and real victims of incest.
i’m not judging, i’m a sinful mess.
but people shouldn’t lie to themselves.
Not a straw man.
pro life doesn’t have exceptions. just saying.
it’s kind of like “i’m pro life for my 10 year old son, unless he gets hit by a car and becomes a cripple. then that’s a terrible burden and i would kill him”
abortions arising from rape and incest WILL happen, even if it is a handful. and i dont think the incest one is just a handful.
like i said in my other post, if one thinks these deaths are the price to pay for the greater good of the country, they should say it.
it’s not a srraw man. real babies of real mothers will die.
It’s ridiculous, he can’t with win these people. I think it’s great that he put this out there, identifying with those who believe that abortion IS the destruction of human life and that we are living in a culture of death. I applaud, Mr. Trump for standing up for life.
He does. Obviously you haven’t watched him much. Much like the papers you grade readers can tell you don’t watch Trump because of the comment you make.
No. The writer of this editorial is close though.
Thanks for documentation.
On two consecutive days after Trump announced he was running. Ben Carson on Cavuto and ALICE Cooper on F&F said that the personal DT was nothing like the public image. (So you may be seeing his private side. His testimony in front of congress in 1991 was totally differnt too Very professional)
Carson has known him for decades working with him in philothopic medical work
Cooper is a regular in the Trump foursome.
Both used words like extremely generous , considerate, kind and fun
Cooper put it best. Most see him as a rock star ( his public image ). But privately: he’s been married 40’years, sober 30, born again Christian, works with troubled youth.
In Jerry Falwell introduction you hear some on that in his introduction. The words “Servants Heart”. Stuck out to me !
OTOH His childhood friends ( whom he keeps in contact with) have said Donald has always been Donald.
His college professor has an interesting story to tell about their first meeting.
Just think a person who not only has a past, is remembered, but also remembered with joy!
I have all these stories and many more stored on FR. I don’t make them public because of the spamming by nasty posters but FRmail me and I’ll send you the key
I see. Thanks for clearing that up a little. Here's what got the exceptions settled for me. I begin from the belief that human beings bear (in some way) the "image and likeness" of the Creator. Genesis 1:26
Are there exceptions to this? Hitler? I cannot see how, unless he was not a human.
We use the term "sanctity of life." This is why.
So I dare not deliberately or intentionally, by abortion, destroy that life, regardless of how it came into existence.
May I "force" my belief on others? Only to the extent that I am successful in having man's law confirm to God's law. And this is always an imperfect undertaking.
(1) "Life of the mother." No law, moral or legal, from Church or State, forbids medical procedures to prevent a pregnant woman's death, even if those procedures would result in the (unintended) death of the baby she is carrying. This is true even at times and in places where abortion itself is strictly illegal.
Examples: hysterectomy in the case of uterine or cervical malignancies; the removal of a Fallopian tube supporting an ectopic pregnancy; chemo, radiation or surgery for cancer anywhere in the body; hysterectomy in the case of trauma and hemorrhage (e.g. internal injuries from a car wreck) even though the woman is pregnant.
Delivery of the baby, whole and pre-term, even if the baby is so young that his prognosis for survival is poor, has always has been considered both moral and legal in the USA, ewven before the legalization of abortion. Naturally, if the baby can be delivered early and saved by good NICU care, this becomes the ethically necessary choice.
Such procedures are never prosecuted as "criminal abortion" or anything else. They are sad and disappointing, but ethical as long as they do not involve a direct assault on the child, or his directly intended killing as a means to an end. (The indirect, unavoidable "collateral" demise of the baby is not, morally or ethically, abortion.)
People who bring up "life of the mother" are either uninformed about modern obstetrics, or trying to confuse the matter politically.
2. Pregnancy as an "extension" of the crime of rape. Sperm released into a woman's genital tract from rape, is legitimately considered an extension of the rapist's invasion of the woman's body. Medical procedures to kill or remove this sperm are ethically blameless.
This is is not so for a conceived child. The sperm is an extension of the rapist's person; the child (zygote, embryo, fetus, etc.) is a person in his or her own right.
As regards the death penalty for the crime of rape, I could support it in some cases for the criminal rapist, but not for the criminal's child. Our legal code should not allow the execution of a child for his/her father's crime.
Before: ALITO, BARRY and GARTH, Circuit Judges. Richard F. Collier, Jr. (Argued) Collier, Jacob & Mills, Somerset, NJ, Attorney for Appellants.
The Legislature's argument that Roe and Casey are inapplicable to "partial-birth" abortion procedures because such procedures are infanticide rather than abortion is based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence. Positing an "unborn" versus "partially born" distinction, the Legislature would have us accept, and the public believe, that during a "partial-birth abortion" the fetus is in the process of being "born" at the time of its demise. It is not. A woman seeking an abortion is plainly not seeking to give birth.
Moreover, that the life of the fetus is terminated when a "substantial portion" has passed through the cervix and is in the va---- canal, does not without more transform an abortion procedure into infanticide. Again, the medical evidence clearly indicates that in many conventional abortion procedures the fetus may be killed, i.e. the heart ceases beating, when a substantial portion of the fetus (whether it be disarticulated limbs or part of the body of the fetus) is in the va--- and a portion remains in the uterus.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1210668.html - this is quite detailed, and quite sickening to read.
Again only reporting the facts here... Whether she considers herself actually pro life or pro death (abortion), I have no idea. But a person simply reading this decision would think that she was pro abortion. Sorry don't mean to offend by the text of this writing, I marked out words that I thought may not be FR safe, on its face abortion is extremely offensive to me, This is absolutely barbaric and should not be found in civilized society.
During all the decades when abortion was strictly illegal in the Republic of Ireland, Ireland had the lowest maternal mortality rate in Europe. MUCH lower than in the USA, which OK's abortion for any reason or no reason at all.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience in giving birth to, as I understand it, an adopted embryo. I believe that Almighty God will honor those who honor His priceless gift of life.
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