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Brass tacks discussion on Islam

Posted on 11/18/2015 8:12:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Ok, let's get down to brass tacks.

How long has the Islam religion been around and have they always been so hateful and violent (like so many of them are today)?

I believe they claim to be direct descendants of Abraham but I also believe that Abraham was a favorite of our one true Judeo-Christian God, and was the father or grandfather of the Jewish and Christian religions.

I have a hard time believing that our loving Judeo-Christian God is also the Islam God, Allah, whose Muslim followers seem to be so misplaced.

Haven't the warlike Muslim tribes fanned out and violently conquered every nation in their 1400 year path of conquest?

Did God command them to conquer and dominate the entire world? Did he command them to demand infidels to submit, convert or die?

Who and what are these people and who is Allah?

This Muslim violence seems to have been going on worldwide for at least 1400 years.

Could it be that Islam IS the enemy (despite Obama's many denials)?


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To: FourPeas
There have been recent developments that questions the authenticity of Mohammed's work.

Interesting reading: The 'Birmingham Koran' fragment that could shake Islam after carbon-dating suggests it is OLDER than the Prophet Muhammad

It would really suck to have parts of something Muhammad was divinely inspired to create show up at a time which preceded him! Especially for his followers, who slaughtered some say 290 million people out of respect of.


"Fragments of the world's oldest Koran, found in Birmingham last month, may predate the Prophet Muhammad and could even rewrite the early history of Islam, according to scholars.

The pages, thought to be between 1,448 and 1,371 years old, were discovered bound within the pages of another Koran from the late seventh century at the library of the University of Birmingham.

Written in ink in an early form of Arabic script on parchment made from animal skin, the pages contain parts of the Suras, or chapters, 18 to 20, which may have been written by someone who actually knew the Prophet Muhammad - founder of the Islamic faith."

121 posted on 11/18/2015 10:21:53 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Jim Robinson
This Muslim violence seems to have been going on worldwide for at least 1400 years.

I heard this question posed the other night:

If Islam is the religion of peace, the why aren't the extremists extremely peaceful?

Muslims and their sycophant media mouthpieces would have us believe that they are underprivileged, Hare Krishna flower children, when in reality they are the Manson family x 1 billion.

Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out.

122 posted on 11/18/2015 10:22:01 PM PST by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: DocRock

“We had our hindmost attacked on Sept. 11, 2001 when innocent, non-combatats were slaughtered. The same in Paris. These Muslims may have a different name, but to God they are Amalakites and we are told to never forget them and that He will wage war with them from generation to generation. We will do well to read and obey the Word of the Lord and realize, Islam is the death cult we can never make peace with and they will never make peace with us.”

Explains a lot. Wonder if our esteemed Christian leader has forgotten the Amalakites?

http://biblehub.com/topical/a/amalekites.htm


123 posted on 11/18/2015 10:23:06 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Take your time in your studies. It's complicated and will take awhile to absorb it all. I know it has taken me years to understand only what I know now and I don't know the half of it. :-)

You will see signs of Islam in both the OT and NT prophecies. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. Btw, check out #121. You may find it interesting!

Good nite sir. God bless.

124 posted on 11/18/2015 10:27:00 PM PST by amorphous
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To: mkjessup

I don’t understand why anyone would believe we should accept these people into America? They sound to be incompatible (and undesirable) in every way.


125 posted on 11/18/2015 10:27:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sharia is completely incompatible with our laws and Constitution.

Practitioners of every other religion and sect, ho live here, have no trouble living with our laws; yet Muslims do. Most want Sharia, but it would never work.

Yes, some judges have talked about it and yes, again , it would be an impeachable offense to install it.

126 posted on 11/18/2015 10:27:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 21twelve

Yes and yes, but neither wanted to take over the USA, nor force other to convert by the sword.


127 posted on 11/18/2015 10:35:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: amorphous

Given that Muslims believe in the Koran as being an eternal entity, I’m surprised they have difficulty with the idea that a copy of it might have existed prior to the “official” account of it being written down. No doubt fingerprints of Jews are somewhere to be found.


128 posted on 11/18/2015 10:39:39 PM PST by FourPeas ("Conservatism's worked every time it's been tried." -Rush)
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To: nopardons

“Mohamed came to the fore in 600 something and there’s no way he was descended from Ismail”

Ismael was the son of Abraham and an Egyptian woman. Ismael’s line are the Arabs. Isaac was the son of Abraham and Sarah, his line are the Jews. Both the Arabs and Jews claim Abraham as their forefather and that’s true.


129 posted on 11/18/2015 10:39:55 PM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: Jim Robinson
They are incompatible with the West.

Here is a site that explains the Koran from a commonsense Western’s POV.
The definition of Taqiyya:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3362117/posts?page=50#50
Violence under the Koran:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3362117/posts?page=51#51

The Home Page of the site called, “The Politically Incorrect Truth about Islam”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

If you scroll down you will see all the attacks/beheadings/murders committed by Muslims.

130 posted on 11/18/2015 10:41:41 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Marcella

Okay...I shan’t quibble over that.


131 posted on 11/18/2015 10:42:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
Note that the Quran denies the crucifixion:
(4:157) and their saying: 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary', the Messenger of Allah - whereas in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them - and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

132 posted on 11/18/2015 10:42:57 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: Jim Robinson

Two major problems for Muslims is their religion (cult) is based on a false prophet and too many Muslim populations suffer from inbreeding. Making them lower IQ and hateful and violent towards those outside their inbred clan. Add access to modern weaponry and nukes and you have a toxic stew that is always bubbling away. Something on the back burner, sometimes on the front one.


133 posted on 11/18/2015 10:47:22 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: nopardons; Marcella

I think it is important to note that Arabs does not equal muslim. And I don’t know exactly the lineage that gets traced from Ishamel to the modern Arabs whether it is in the Bible or what. Just because Mohammod said he was descended from Ishmael doesn’t make it true, and doesn’t make his cult “true”.


134 posted on 11/18/2015 10:56:51 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: 21twelve

:-)


135 posted on 11/18/2015 11:06:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 21twelve
And I don’t know exactly the lineage that gets traced from Ishamel to the modern Arabs whether it is in the Bible or what. Just because Mohammod said he was descended from Ishmael doesn’t make it true

And your lack of knowledge doesn't make it false, either.

The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 gives ample reason to believe, generally speaking, the peoples of the Arabian Peninsula are indeed descended from Ismael.

As for the validity of his teaching; well that part of the world has never lacked for false prophets, which in turn says nothing to impeach the validity of true prophets.

136 posted on 11/18/2015 11:10:03 PM PST by papertyger
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To: matt1234

In Koran and Hadiths the Muzzis classify Muhammad and Jesus as prophets, as mortal men with no divinity. But the funny thing is that in real life they elevate Mohamed so much that he is de facto divine. He is also called “the final Prophet” The last word in everything. The super prophet who improved on all the previous prophets such as Jesus, Abraham and Moses

Of course in all this confusesd mess Jesus is left alone to be non-divine.... In Muzzi end times scenarios Jesus returns to play second banana to Muhammad who goes to war to set everything right, making the whole world Muslim once and for all.


137 posted on 11/18/2015 11:12:13 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Jim Robinson
It all started with Mohammad. He committed terrorism himself and he proclaimed terrorism as a holy duty.

The Mohammad Factor

If you condemn murder you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn thievery you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn rape you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn pedophilia you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn terrorism you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn Mohammad you condemn Islam.

How could Islam ever reform when that reformation would be a blatant blasphemy of the Holy Prophet of Islam Mohammad the archetype for all muslims of every sect?

138 posted on 11/18/2015 11:30:57 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: dennisw
I found the Muslims' denial of the crucifixion to be telling. It seems like they are actively trying to deny the validity of Christianity. They could have claimed that he was crucified but nondivine. Or they could have remained silent on the subject of crucifixion. But no.

I actually read two islamic commentaries that the person who was crucified was a double of Jesus...someone who looked like him. They tried and convicted Jesus but then pulled a switcheroo. Nice explanation!

139 posted on 11/18/2015 11:33:01 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: Jim Robinson

ProphetOfDoom.net


140 posted on 11/18/2015 11:47:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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