Posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
In May 2009, a remarkably well-preserved extinct primate, nicknamed “Ida,” was hailed as one of the most important fossil finds ever. It had features that some interpreted as a link between two primate body forms. At the time, ICR News suggested that its evolutionary significance was far overblown, predicting that the scientific consensus would offer retractions. Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...
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As I have posted previously:
that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Corinthians 15:4)
You example assumes that we do not know the identity of the sculpurer. Are you saying you don't know the identity of God therefore it is acceptable to call him the ID?
According to which scriptures?
Maybe some IDers do...
Oh for heaven's sake, ColdWater: Please grow up.
The YECers are not "boogeymen!" They are not "attacking" you. It's all in your own imagination.
It's just silly.
Still if you truly feel they are "attacking you," might I ask: In what way? Can you give me an example?
You could almost believe the whale part of it because man and toothed whales probably had some encounters in biblical times, but some spend serious time and effort on FR defending the notion that Jonah was actually swallowed by a marine dinosaur (Less, you know who you are....LOL).
I already responded to this question 2x.
Which scriptures?
The Scriptures (the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, had been long established by the time this letter was written to the Corinthians)....When the Apostle Paul wrote this to the church at Corinth, his audience knew exactly what he meant and what was being referred to. Old Testaments prophets, like Isaiah and the psalmists, foretold of Christ's death on the cross as a payment for sin (Isaiah 53) and also foretold of His resurrection (Psalm 2).
Luke makes this clear in Acts 13 when it is stated:
26"Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. 27The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath.
28Though they found no proper ground for a death sentence, they asked Pilate to have him executed. 29When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. 30But God raised him from the dead, 31and for many days he was seen by those who had traveled with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to our people. 32"We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers 33he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: " 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father.[b]'[c] 34The fact that God raised him from the dead, never to decay, is stated in these words: " 'I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.'[d]
35So it is stated elsewhere: " 'You will not let your Holy One see decay.'[e] 36"For when David had served God's purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed. 37But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. 38"Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. 40Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you: 41" 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.'[f]"
Christ's resurrection is central to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to the Christian faith. 404 posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 4:14:31 PM by pby [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 402 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Corinthians 15:4)
If I may, I believe his question is to which scriptures is Paul referring in his letter to the Corinthians? It can't be his letter.
“30But God raised him from the dead, 31and for many days he was seen by those who had traveled with him from Galilee to Jerusalem
Sorry. It does not say 3 days.
I wonder. You mean like the evos and atheists who file lawsuits to have religion and creation banned from the public schools and have only evolution taught?
Like that stopping at nothing to get everyone to believe as evos do?
You could spend the rest of your life telling him that and get no further than you have already.
Don’t let the evos have you running in circles wasting your time posting stuff they won’t accept anyway.
“Still if you truly feel they are “attacking you,” might I ask: In what way? Can you give me an example?”
Spiders in his panties... big, honkin’ spiders in his panties.
And they keep wadding the darn things up!
I don’t think expecting that CW is going to grow up is an option at this stage in the game. We just need to hope he stops sucking his thumb before his teeth stick that way.
[[I thought that ID was a middle point moving folks away from the dogma of the philosophy of a godless naturalistic evolution, not a stopping point. Once folks realize that the evidence points to an ID, then the identity of the ID can be sought.]]
ID science isn’t about identifying the Designer, only in providing enough evidence to show a NEED ror a Designer, and to hsow that nature is incapable of being that intelligent designer. Those with an open enough mind to admit that nature couldn’t possibly have provided the incredible IC witnessed and evidenced in nature should by all rights seek out hte ID o ntheir own beyond the science of ID, but ID science itself isn’t obligated to ‘prove who or what the designer is’ behind hte IC, only that an intelligent designer is NEEDED- which is exactly what we find in the IC structures al laround us- just as any forensic scientist is obliged to do- prove that an act couldn’t have possibly happened naturally, and that it NEEDED an intelligent designer behind the act- When enough IC is presented, the case for the NEED for an intelligent designer is made- and natural causes are ruled out because nature couldn’t possibly have doen hte acts- they are beyond the capabilities of nature, and infact violate several key scientific principles which can’t be ignored and swept under the rug as though non essential to the argument
“some spend serious time and effort on FR defending the notion that Jonah was actually swallowed by a marine dinosaur”
Yeah... yeah... LOL!!! And some folks actually spend some serious time defending the notion that man evolved from some sort of oozing goo to the amazing complex organisms we see today! ROFL!!!
These guys are soooo funny!
YOur problem isn't with what is being taught, it with what is not being taught; you particular version of creation. With your demonstrated level of tolerance here on FR one can only imagine the gnashing of teeth if the religious beliefs of the majority (Catholics are the largest religious group in the country) were to be taught exclusively in schools.
I see liberals constantly claiming that the bible isn’t written by God through man- and only liberals beleive that you can’t beleive the bible because supposedly, the ‘bible was written by fallible man alone. Well time to expose that LIE for what it is- Anti-Christian, Anti-God belief (After all, you can’t beleive in an infallible God if you doubt the very words of that same infallible God, and call into question His authority and word like liberals pretendign to be Christians often do)
Some people teach that the Bible writers never claimed to be inspired or directly guided by God. They say that neither the writers nor God viewed Scripture as a revelation of the mind of God which we should follow as a pattern for our lives. As such, they deny the infallible, inerrant, verbal inspiration of Scripture.
Other people say the Bible is inspired in that the writers did put down some of God’s ideas, but maybe men still put some of their own uninspired ideas in it. For example, maybe God just taught the men right ideas, but left them to express those ideas as they see best.
Others say the Bible writers speak the truth in matters of religious faith and morals, but when they speak about history or science they are writing as humans and may be wrong. Therefore, we cannot accept the Bible accounts of miracles and the lives of Bible characters as necessarily valid.
The results of these views of inspiration are that maybe there is some error in the words written by “inspired” men: maybe we can, even should, reject parts of it as not being true. Such views are called “modernism” or “liberalism.” Yet those who hold these views may still claim to be Christians who believe in God, Christ, and the Bible.
This study deals with the basic question: In what sense, or to what extent, is the Bible inspired? 1) Did the Bible writers really claim inspiration? Did they say that what they wrote was God’s will? 2) Did God actually guide the words the men chose in expressing the teachings (verbal inspiration)? 3) Could it be that some words in the writings of these men were true and accurate, but some may have been mistaken in some way? Or is the Bible an infallible and inerrant revelation?
Notice the subject as outlined for us in Revelation 19:9 - “These are true words of God.” [LINK]
A. Old Testament Writers Claimed Their Message Was from God
Isaiah 1:2 - The Lord has spoken.
Jeremiah 10:1,2 - Hear the word which the Lord speaks. Thus says the Lord...
Ezekiel 1:3 - The word of the Lord came expressly.
Hosea 1:1,2 - The word of the Lord that came ... the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said...
Jonah 1:1 - The word of the Lord came to Jonah.
Micah 1:1 - The word of the Lord that came to Micah.
Zech. 1:1 - The word of the Lord came to Zechariah.
[See also Joel 1:2; Amos 1:3,6, etc; Obad. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Hab. 2:2; Deuteronomy 30:9,10; Numbers 12:6-8; 23:5,12,16,19; plus see references in other sections.]
B. New Testament Writers Claimed Their Message Was from God
1 Corinthians 14:37 - The things I write are commands of Lord.
Ephesians 3:3-5 - The things Paul wrote were made known to him by revelation. Formerly these things were not known but have now been revealed by the Spirit to apostles & prophets.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 - We say by the word of the Lord.
1 Timothy 4:1 - The Spirit expressly says.
[2 Thessalonians 3:12; John 12:48-50; Acts 16:32; Romans 1:16; 1 Thessalonians 1:5]
C. Inspired Men Claimed that What Other Writers Wrote Was from God.
Matthew 1:22 - A quotation was spoken by the Lord through the prophet.
Matthew 2:15 - Another passage was spoken by the Lord through the prophet.
Acts 1:16 - The Spirit spoke by the mouth of David.
Acts 28:25 - The Holy Spirit spoke by Isaiah ... prophet.
Hebrews 1:1,2 - God spoke in times past to the fathers by prophets. But now He has spoken to us by His Son.
Matthew 15:4 - Jesus Himself confirmed that Scriptures were from God. He quoted the Law revealed through Moses and said it was what God commanded.
Matthew 22:29-32 - He said the Scriptures were spoken by God.
Luke 10:16 - He also confirmed the inspiration of the New Testament for He told the apostles who wrote it: He who hears you, hears Me; he who rejects you rejects Me and rejects Him who sent Me
John 16:13 - He promised the men who penned the New Testament that the Spirit would guide them into all truth
To deny or question that the Bible writers spoke from God is to deny and reject the truthfulness of their own statements about themselves, their statements about one another, and Jesus’ statements about Scriptures.
[Matthew 19:4-6; John 10:35; 2 Chronicles 34:14-19; Isaiah 2:1-3; Matthew 22:43; Romans 1:1,2; Hebrews 3:7; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:20f; 3:15f; Acts 4:24f]
Nope and Nope, but, again, I assume that you know that.
Christians know the identity of the sculptor. He is the God of the Bible. His identity is clearly laid out for us in the Bible.
ID is a moving point for those who subscribe to the philosophy of naturalism, not a stopping point. It is a process that moves folks of this philosophical persuasion from their assumed philosophy towards the acceptance of a Creator. Once the acceptance of an intelligent Creator is established, then, from there, one can move towards the God of the Bible as the intelligent designer.
Uh, then why do they call him the Intelligent Designer (notice the caps) and not call him God? Why do they say that the Intelligent Designer most probably is dead? Sounds like they are setting the stage for the removal of God from the scene.
[LINK] to above quotes http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php
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