Scientists Back Off of Ardi Claims (Evos give climate-hoaxers a run for their money...LOL!)

ICR News ^ | December 4, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

In May 2009, a remarkably well-preserved extinct primate, nicknamed “Ida,” was hailed as one of the most important fossil finds ever. It had features that some interpreted as a link between two primate body forms. At the time, ICR News suggested that its evolutionary significance was far overblown, predicting that the scientific consensus would offer retractions. Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...

[Gordon Greene]

“But then who would we laugh at?”

No, they have an agenda and that wouldn’t keep them out but that was a funny post!

God bless.

GG

[RoadGumby]

And Cold Water, slips not so silently into irrelevance....

[ColdWater]

It worked for Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

[ColdWater]

And Cold Water, slips not so silently into irrelevance....

I guess that is why you have posted to me a zillion times ...

[metmom]

You can't even define or specify what constitutes a transitional fossil. All you and the YEC's do is reject the entire fossil database as not being compliant to your unspecified standard.

If you have a better definition, or even a definition, go for it. Something more specific than *They're all transitionals* would be nice.

[Gordon Greene]

“Amazing, isn’t it? But there are others waiting in the wings to take Ardi’s place. Maybe something like Kenyanthropus, consisting of parts of a skull.

Eve was constructed from Adam’s rib but the Darwinist’s claim to be able to create a whole zoo of swinging, limping, knuckle dragging critters from even less. Of course it does take lots of glue and grinding”

Another fabulous post... I bow to your superior evolution barbs!

Wish the evo’s were that clever. Sure would make for better reading.

[pby]

Avery Dulles, a leading Catholic theologian reports, "In his college years at William and Mary, [Jefferson] came to admire Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, and John Locke as three great paragons of wisdom. Under the influence of several professors, he converted to the deist philosophy."[6] Dulles concludes: “ In summary, then, Jefferson was a deist because he believed in one God, in divine providence, in the divine moral law, and in rewards and punishments after death; but did not believe in supernatural revelation. He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher. He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God. Jefferson's religion is fairly typical of the American form of deism in his day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion

The rejection of Jesus as the Messiah and the incarnate Son of God is a rejection of the Christian faith.

[ColdWater]

Eve was constructed from Adam’s rib

I had my doubts about that Jonah and the whale story but when my church told me that men had one less rib than women because God created women from man's rib I knew it was a bunch of malarky.

[ColdWater]

“He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher.”

Thank you for making my point.

[pby]

Help me out...

I am missing your point.

[count-your-change]

Hopefully you something to read while you wait....Say The Collected Works of the Western World, unabridged edition.

[metmom]

War and Peace might be a good place to start.

[celmak]

"Let’s start with teaching that as a basis for education and see what happens."

Agreed.

[metmom]

In the original languages? (Which I would have to learn for most)

[RoadGumby]

And so back to the thread topic, Looks like the TOE has another black eye to try to eveolve out of.

No transition fossils, lots of fakes (Let’s just make it LOOK like something, a la AGW).

[TooFarGone]

“It doesn’t seem that the retractions get quite the coverage as the announcements, and all that does is lend itself to accusations of agenda and cover-ups”
I would agree with the first part. The ManchurianStreamMedia has been quite consistent in its agenda-how many days now without a mention of the manmadeglobalwarmingisofficallyahoax?
But if a scientist attempted to move an idea forward based on a scientifically discredited piece of date (whether silently or publicly announced) his/her idea would be uncovered as based on refuted evidence.

“I’m aware that scientists don’t like the reasoning”
That’s my question exactly-what reasoning? It’s assumed a priori to already be false based on a belief system that is incompatible( mostly-there is the ‘god designed evolution’ school) with evolution. It seems to me to be the equivalent of: r too, am not, r too, am not . . .

[metmom]

"Let’s start with teaching that as a basis for education and see what happens."

Perhaps just simply starting with TEACHING would be a good place to start.

[ColdWater]

And Cold Water, slips not so silently into irrelevance....

So posts RG when he makes a claim unsupported by the Bible.

[Natural Law]

"If you have a better definition, or even a definition, go for it."

Before acknowledging that e-s is either a lier or an idiot I want to give him an opportunity to explain himself or revise his remarks. The burden is not on me to substantiate the statement. When someone makes a statement that transitionals don't exist they have an obligation to define what it is that does not exist, especially when the documented evidence for evolutionary transition is so overwhelming.

If you want to expand your role as the protective big sister to your posse I'll give you a chance to define a transitional fossil.

(hint: real scientists use phylogenetic taxonomy and morphological data matrices. Something more specific than *That dog don't hunt* with numbers and coefficients would be nice.)

[Moonman62]

When you find the Periodic Table, the Fine Structure Constant, the permeability of free space, or anything similar in the Bible, then let me know.