Posted on 09/11/2009 10:09:02 AM PDT by neverdem
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IMHO, the same party still stands for slavery and the French Revolution against American Exceptionalism and the American Revolution.
Why this moron and so many others simply refuse to believe that it is even possible that there could ever be a “conspiracy” of any kind is beyond me. They seem to actually think that mankind is simply not capable of it. It stares them in the face...sometimes the conspirators even admit it! And yet they still poo-poo anyone who points these things out.
And no, I’m not a “truther” in the usual sense....but I’m definitely a “birther”!!!
When afraid, call the people paranoid.
Listening to the MSM one might be forgiven for thinking that Jones lost his job for once calling Republicans "arseholes" - while incendiary, not even on the same scale as his other misdeeds.
Yeah the truther thing doesn’t bother me nearly as much as some of his other comments and actions. This is a man who wants to let prison inmates loose to work in the green industry. (does the green industry need enforcers)?
It’s just like Ann Coulter says: If you want to know what the liberals are really up to, just look at what they’re accusing us of doing.
I’m sorry, but the anti-birthers are almost as nutty as the truthers.
Ask them: “Why shouldn’t Obama make his vault birth certificate public?”
After going through the exercise of explaining that the one that was displayed on the web has as much validity as a carnival novelty item (Sun Yat-Sen, the father of modern China has one, as does Obama’s Indonesan born sister) and that newspaper notices can be placed by grandparents, you end up with a lot of dumb looks.
And I prefer the term “disclosurist” rather than “birther”. My mystery can be solved by a single piece of paper, which DOES exist, and is sitting under lock and key in a known Hawaiian location.
The Enforcers come from the SIEU etc.
Because the Certification of Live Birth that he posted suffices to prove his birth in Hawaii, and there is absolutely no reason to believe he was born anywhere else. Also, you have to be a loon to think it plausible that a woman 8 months pregnant, in 1961, would travel half way around the world to Kenya, just to give birth in third world conditions, at a time when the journey would likely take several days and multiple modes of highly primitive transportation.
And no, it is not true that any of his relatives in Kenya claim to have whitnessed his birth there.
I suppose, if Bambi really wanted to, he could release his vault copy. But why should he, if keeping it hidden gets his opposition distracted with this birther nonsense?
After going through the exercise of explaining that the one that was displayed on the web has as much validity as a carnival novelty item
That's why, I suppose, the State Department accepts it as proof of US birth in passport applications. LOL. You birthers are funny.
Everything else you say in your post is simply, and categorically false.
(Sun Yat-Sen, the father of modern China has one,
Not true. Sun Yat-Sen fruadulantly obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth from the TERRITORY of Hawaii, 50 years before Obama was born and 48 years before Hawaii became a state.
That's not the same thing as the STATE-issued Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted.
as does Obamas Indonesan born sister)
Not true.
and that newspaper notices can be placed by grandparents,
Not true. The newspaper announcements were based on data received directly from the Hawaii Department of Health. It says so right at the top of the newspaper page where they are printed, scanned copies of which are available all over the web. Did you even bother to look at them?
You really ought to try to verify things you read on the internet before accepting them wholesale.
I agree and I don’t care WHO thinks those of us who want this fraud to prove that he is qualified to dismantle America is nutty. Requiring this valid information which all preceding presidents seem to provide with no dilemma or ferocious fight, does make sense. What gives this creep the “right” to be a blank slate and yet occupy the office of the Presidency of the United States on his “word” alone. The arrogance is astounding!! CO
From the LIBERAL State of Washington? I can likely guarantee that you are an Obama supporter and voted for this man. Those who have been deceived choose to remain that way unfortunately. I hope you are enjoying what this bum is doing to your country. My American cousins, one from the State of Washington, are not!! CO
Oh goody. I found an anti-birther to play with.
The COLB that was posted on the web (by the leftist fightthesmears.com) was full of redacted information and does not contain the country of birth...it is a computer generated form, derived from a database.
This article notes that there were 4 ways to get a Hawaiian certificate of birth in 1961, some not requiring documentation: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304157/posts
I made no claims about a Kenyan birth. You assumed it though. Understandable. To be an anti-birther you MUST make assumptions.
However, along your lines of thought, it is implausible that Mrs. Obama gave birth in Hawaii and less than two weeks later was taking classes in Washington state.
Certain offices of the state of Hawaii do not accept the COLB that was posted on the web and require the vault form: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451
Also, Obama’s sister: http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d27-Did-you-know-Obamas-half-sister-born-in-Indonesia-has-a-Hawaiian-Certification-of-Live-Birth
The relevancy of the newspaper article is related to who generated the vault copy of the birth certificate. And yes, the grandparents could have generated the vault copy, as that was permissible in 1961 Hawaii.
Not that this video actually deserves such a response, but is there a fact-by-fact debunking of the following video, Zero: An Investigation of 9-11?:
Good advice, you should take it. Your arguments are at best, diversions.
The things we don't know about this man would fill volumes.
The only thing that was redacted in the original scan was the certificate number. Photos of the same document, without redaction, were later posted on factcheck's website.
and does not contain the country of birth...
It says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. Perhaps you slept through geography class when you were in grade school, but Honolulu happens to be in the United States. Thankfully, most people are educated enough know that.
it is a computer generated form, derived from a database.
Yes, as are most birth certificates these days. What's your point? As long as it has a raised seal and registrar's signature, every Federal agency accepts it as proof of US birth.
This article notes that there were 4 ways to get a Hawaiian certificate of birth in 1961, some not requiring documentation: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304157/posts
Yes, that's what the article claims. Unfortunately, it fails to substantiate those claims.
Certain offices of the state of Hawaii do not accept the COLB that was posted
That is not true, and again, the article you link that makes the claim fails to substantiate it.
Regarding Maya's COLB, the only evidence you have is, yet again, the unsubstantiated claim of some blogger.
The relevancy of the newspaper article is related to who generated the vault copy of the birth certificate. And yes, the grandparents could have generated the vault copy, as that was permissible in 1961 Hawaii.
So you claim. Unfortunately, yet again, you do not have a shred of evidence to back up your claim.
I’m still not sure what is irrational about wanting to see an original birth certificate. Seems a reasonabl request to me, and it seems to be one easily acted upon.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parents marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.
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