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To: curiosity

Oh goody. I found an anti-birther to play with.

The COLB that was posted on the web (by the leftist fightthesmears.com) was full of redacted information and does not contain the country of birth...it is a computer generated form, derived from a database.

This article notes that there were 4 ways to get a Hawaiian certificate of birth in 1961, some not requiring documentation: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304157/posts

I made no claims about a Kenyan birth. You assumed it though. Understandable. To be an anti-birther you MUST make assumptions.

However, along your lines of thought, it is implausible that Mrs. Obama gave birth in Hawaii and less than two weeks later was taking classes in Washington state.

Certain offices of the state of Hawaii do not accept the COLB that was posted on the web and require the vault form: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451

Also, Obama’s sister: http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d27-Did-you-know-Obamas-half-sister-born-in-Indonesia-has-a-Hawaiian-Certification-of-Live-Birth

The relevancy of the newspaper article is related to who generated the vault copy of the birth certificate. And yes, the grandparents could have generated the vault copy, as that was permissible in 1961 Hawaii.


15 posted on 09/11/2009 12:08:27 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: kidd
The COLB that was posted on the web (by the leftist fightthesmears.com) was full of redacted information

The only thing that was redacted in the original scan was the certificate number. Photos of the same document, without redaction, were later posted on factcheck's website.

and does not contain the country of birth...

It says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. Perhaps you slept through geography class when you were in grade school, but Honolulu happens to be in the United States. Thankfully, most people are educated enough know that.

it is a computer generated form, derived from a database.

Yes, as are most birth certificates these days. What's your point? As long as it has a raised seal and registrar's signature, every Federal agency accepts it as proof of US birth.

This article notes that there were 4 ways to get a Hawaiian certificate of birth in 1961, some not requiring documentation: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304157/posts

Yes, that's what the article claims. Unfortunately, it fails to substantiate those claims.

Certain offices of the state of Hawaii do not accept the COLB that was posted

That is not true, and again, the article you link that makes the claim fails to substantiate it.

Regarding Maya's COLB, the only evidence you have is, yet again, the unsubstantiated claim of some blogger.

The relevancy of the newspaper article is related to who generated the vault copy of the birth certificate. And yes, the grandparents could have generated the vault copy, as that was permissible in 1961 Hawaii.

So you claim. Unfortunately, yet again, you do not have a shred of evidence to back up your claim.

18 posted on 09/11/2009 12:53:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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