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Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered (yet more evidence for Young Earth Creation!!!)
CEH ^ | April 30, 2009

Posted on 04/30/2009 6:49:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered

(see article link for picture links!)

April 30, 2009 — It’s official: soft tissue, including blood vessel proteins and structures resembling cells, have been recovered from dinosaur bone. Mary Schweitzer’s amazing claim in 2005 (03/24/2005) was subsequently disputed as possible contamination from biofilms (07/30/2008). Now, Schweitzer and her team took exceptional precautions to avoid contamination by excavating hadrosaur bone from sandstone said to be 80 million years old. A short description of her findings, and a picture of the tissue, was announced today by New Scientist. The paper was published in the May 1 issue of Science.[1] Read the press release from Schweitzer’s institution, North Carolina State University, which says that the preservation of soft tissue in this duck-billed dinosaur fossil was even better than the material from the T. rex sample analyzed in 2005.

Robert F. Service commented on the finding in the same issue of Science...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; intelligentwand; magic; magicearth; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: blackpacific
I found a Neospirifer Rocky Montanus brachiopod completely intact from a gravel pit here in Fairborn, Ohio.

Funny you should mention that. I used to find Mucrospirifers up near Arkona, Ontario. They come out of a clay layer, and I'll swear the distinctive smell associated with that layer is the still-decaying remnants of organic matter from when it was first deposited.

Evolutionists have been very uncomfortable with this evidence and for good reason. You can't just magically assume organic material can last millions of years in stasis. It breaks down, even within a closed system, simply based on the temperature of the layer if nothing else. It's impressive that as much has lasted thousands of years as it has, though I imagine at the molecular level not much is very intact (i.e., no cloning - sorry!)

21 posted on 04/30/2009 8:04:21 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: tacticalogic

let me introduce you to a little thing we call LOGIC.

1) If the 80 M yrs dating of the strata is right, that means that you MUST explain how you can get viable DNA from 80 M/yr old remains.

OR

2) the “dating” of 80 M years is wrong by a HUGE amount, in line with what has been shown to be the typical age of viable DNA - more like tens of thousands of years.

No other option...... Which do you prefer?

Usually at this point, the godless start talking about extraterrestrial involvement.....(like when they say life on earth probably came from astroids or visitors etc)


22 posted on 04/30/2009 8:07:16 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
Doesn't matter if Texas was ever glaciated, but up in the NW (that's in a different state now) they definitely had glaciers in the mountains.

When the big ice melted it did so rapidly. It created vast floods everywhere, sometimes for centuries.

23 posted on 04/30/2009 8:07:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tacticalogic

Soft tissue, including blood vessel proteins and structures resembling cells being dated at 80 million years old, someone that can date the age of the earth, someone that assuredly tells us that there were 20 major glaciations over 2 million years - what absolute brilliant deductions!!!!


24 posted on 04/30/2009 8:08:02 PM PDT by gscc
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To: tacticalogic

Now, if some clever scientist can extract DNA we will be on our way to Jurassic Park III.


25 posted on 04/30/2009 8:09:10 PM PDT by pankot
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To: muawiyah

“When the big ice melted it did so rapidly. It created vast floods everywhere, sometimes for centuries.”

How do you know that? Evidence please.


26 posted on 04/30/2009 8:10:27 PM PDT by gscc
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To: gscc

Ice cores. Count the layers. 1 big layer, 1 big year, 1 small layer, 1 small year.


27 posted on 04/30/2009 8:11:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I don’t understand how a flood could wash away 80 million year old statra, pick up a new mud, and lay down the fossils in the correct anatomical placement, after they come to rest from the flood.

Occam’s razor.


28 posted on 04/30/2009 8:13:13 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: muawiyah

You are able to prove this “theory” taking into account all factors over a two million year period? How?


29 posted on 04/30/2009 8:14:03 PM PDT by gscc
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To: gscc
Having grown up in the Ohio Valley I can assure you that there's a huge flood plain. A river about 20 times the volume of today's Mississippi ran through Indiana for thousands of years and loft behind vast gravel beds.

That river was simply the melt water from the face of the vast ice sheet that extended from there to the North Pole.

The river channel moved across the land from East to West, and then back, many times.

That's just at the end of the last big blaciation. There's evidence that something similar happened in the previous glaciation, and the one before that, and the ones before that. Evidence of NUMEROUS glaciations may be found all over Southern Indian.

Ain't no thang!

30 posted on 04/30/2009 8:17:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Unprovable tripe!! Not science!!


31 posted on 04/30/2009 8:21:50 PM PDT by gscc
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To: BereanBrain

Regarding “Global Warming”, I’m talking about the “Global Cooling” cycle. We’ve been getting cooled off for 2 million years ~ and toward the end of each cycle it warms up a bit, but it always goes back in the chiller.


32 posted on 04/30/2009 8:22:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

ICE Cores to prove the age of the earth?

let’s do the math.

Assume 80 Million years (as claimed in the dino article) a mere instant of supposedly earths’ history

If you have a 2 THOUSANDTH’s of an inch thick for each layer, in 80 Million years, that’s

13,333 FEET of Ice Core or over 2 MILES DEEP.

At best ice core can be used to prove tens or at most hundreds of thousands of years, NOT MILLIONS.


33 posted on 04/30/2009 8:22:59 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
Okay, try your logic on this. If they're off by a factor of 10,000 and this fossil is only actually 8,000 years old, and they use exactly the same method to date the Earth and it's off by the same amount then the Earth is still almost half a million years old.

If you want to apply that same logic to the problem of the age of the Earth, then it should be your responsibility to explain how to solve the thermodynmic problems of and explain how uranium decay can be accellerated 10,000 times faster than has ever been observed.

Are you willing to take that on, or do you just sit there and demand that everbody has to work?

34 posted on 04/30/2009 8:23:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 04/30/2009 8:23:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: muawiyah

“That’s just at the end of the last big blaciation. There’s evidence that something similar happened in the previous glaciation, and the one before that, and the ones before that. Evidence of NUMEROUS glaciations may be found all over Southern Indian.”

Too many assumptions - not enough hard evidence to support your “theory”.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 8:24:40 PM PDT by gscc
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To: muawiyah

I am REALLY worried about global cooling, too.

Because we have a solar minima, that keeps going, and going, and going.

Last one like this was what caused the “Little Ice Age”.

Cooling is the real concern, but nobody’s figured out how to get a government grant from it, so we don’t “hear” about it....just global warming, climate “change” and the sex life of the fruit fly


37 posted on 04/30/2009 8:25:32 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: gscc
And your interpretation of glacial till is what?

Sumerian stories written down centuries before Father Abraham wandered through their civilization, refer to enormous glaciers.

Where do you suppose Abraham learned to read and write eh?!

38 posted on 04/30/2009 8:26:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gscc
Maybe you can explain how they dated this piece of animal tissue at 80 million (give or take a few days) years old?

Hadrosaurs are found in rocks formed during the Cretaceous Period. Cretaceous rocks have been dated to from 150 to 65 million years ago by the decay of radioisotopes. Radiometric dating on the geologic scale has been tested against the processes shaping the Earth itself, such as sea floor spreading, and been found reliable. While the scientists may not have dated this particular duckbill, they have dated enough members of the family to get a pretty good idea of when they existed.

And I haven't read any serious reporting on this yet, just the press release, but I doubt the researchers reported "a few days" as their margin of error. Any scientific style guide will tell you to use numbers (e.g. +/- four days).

39 posted on 04/30/2009 8:27:50 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: BereanBrain
The sex life of fruit flies has economic importance. They damage important fruit crops.

Global cooling is shortly going to have economic importance when folks figure out we don't have enough coal, oil and natural gas to keep civilization going in most of the Northern Hemisphere going as it gets colder and colder.

40 posted on 04/30/2009 8:27:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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