Posted on 04/30/2009 6:49:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered
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April 30, 2009 — It’s official: soft tissue, including blood vessel proteins and structures resembling cells, have been recovered from dinosaur bone. Mary Schweitzer’s amazing claim in 2005 (03/24/2005) was subsequently disputed as possible contamination from biofilms (07/30/2008). Now, Schweitzer and her team took exceptional precautions to avoid contamination by excavating hadrosaur bone from sandstone said to be 80 million years old. A short description of her findings, and a picture of the tissue, was announced today by New Scientist. The paper was published in the May 1 issue of Science.[1] Read the press release from Schweitzer’s institution, North Carolina State University, which says that the preservation of soft tissue in this duck-billed dinosaur fossil was even better than the material from the T. rex sample analyzed in 2005.
Robert F. Service commented on the finding in the same issue of Science...
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Funny you should mention that. I used to find Mucrospirifers up near Arkona, Ontario. They come out of a clay layer, and I'll swear the distinctive smell associated with that layer is the still-decaying remnants of organic matter from when it was first deposited.
Evolutionists have been very uncomfortable with this evidence and for good reason. You can't just magically assume organic material can last millions of years in stasis. It breaks down, even within a closed system, simply based on the temperature of the layer if nothing else. It's impressive that as much has lasted thousands of years as it has, though I imagine at the molecular level not much is very intact (i.e., no cloning - sorry!)
let me introduce you to a little thing we call LOGIC.
1) If the 80 M yrs dating of the strata is right, that means that you MUST explain how you can get viable DNA from 80 M/yr old remains.
OR
2) the “dating” of 80 M years is wrong by a HUGE amount, in line with what has been shown to be the typical age of viable DNA - more like tens of thousands of years.
No other option...... Which do you prefer?
Usually at this point, the godless start talking about extraterrestrial involvement.....(like when they say life on earth probably came from astroids or visitors etc)
When the big ice melted it did so rapidly. It created vast floods everywhere, sometimes for centuries.
Soft tissue, including blood vessel proteins and structures resembling cells being dated at 80 million years old, someone that can date the age of the earth, someone that assuredly tells us that there were 20 major glaciations over 2 million years - what absolute brilliant deductions!!!!
Now, if some clever scientist can extract DNA we will be on our way to Jurassic Park III.
“When the big ice melted it did so rapidly. It created vast floods everywhere, sometimes for centuries.”
How do you know that? Evidence please.
Ice cores. Count the layers. 1 big layer, 1 big year, 1 small layer, 1 small year.
I don’t understand how a flood could wash away 80 million year old statra, pick up a new mud, and lay down the fossils in the correct anatomical placement, after they come to rest from the flood.
Occam’s razor.
You are able to prove this “theory” taking into account all factors over a two million year period? How?
That river was simply the melt water from the face of the vast ice sheet that extended from there to the North Pole.
The river channel moved across the land from East to West, and then back, many times.
That's just at the end of the last big blaciation. There's evidence that something similar happened in the previous glaciation, and the one before that, and the ones before that. Evidence of NUMEROUS glaciations may be found all over Southern Indian.
Ain't no thang!
Unprovable tripe!! Not science!!
Regarding “Global Warming”, I’m talking about the “Global Cooling” cycle. We’ve been getting cooled off for 2 million years ~ and toward the end of each cycle it warms up a bit, but it always goes back in the chiller.
ICE Cores to prove the age of the earth?
let’s do the math.
Assume 80 Million years (as claimed in the dino article) a mere instant of supposedly earths’ history
If you have a 2 THOUSANDTH’s of an inch thick for each layer, in 80 Million years, that’s
13,333 FEET of Ice Core or over 2 MILES DEEP.
At best ice core can be used to prove tens or at most hundreds of thousands of years, NOT MILLIONS.
If you want to apply that same logic to the problem of the age of the Earth, then it should be your responsibility to explain how to solve the thermodynmic problems of and explain how uranium decay can be accellerated 10,000 times faster than has ever been observed.
Are you willing to take that on, or do you just sit there and demand that everbody has to work?
Thanks for the ping!
“That’s just at the end of the last big blaciation. There’s evidence that something similar happened in the previous glaciation, and the one before that, and the ones before that. Evidence of NUMEROUS glaciations may be found all over Southern Indian.”
Too many assumptions - not enough hard evidence to support your “theory”.
I am REALLY worried about global cooling, too.
Because we have a solar minima, that keeps going, and going, and going.
Last one like this was what caused the “Little Ice Age”.
Cooling is the real concern, but nobody’s figured out how to get a government grant from it, so we don’t “hear” about it....just global warming, climate “change” and the sex life of the fruit fly
Sumerian stories written down centuries before Father Abraham wandered through their civilization, refer to enormous glaciers.
Where do you suppose Abraham learned to read and write eh?!
Hadrosaurs are found in rocks formed during the Cretaceous Period. Cretaceous rocks have been dated to from 150 to 65 million years ago by the decay of radioisotopes. Radiometric dating on the geologic scale has been tested against the processes shaping the Earth itself, such as sea floor spreading, and been found reliable. While the scientists may not have dated this particular duckbill, they have dated enough members of the family to get a pretty good idea of when they existed.
And I haven't read any serious reporting on this yet, just the press release, but I doubt the researchers reported "a few days" as their margin of error. Any scientific style guide will tell you to use numbers (e.g. +/- four days).
Global cooling is shortly going to have economic importance when folks figure out we don't have enough coal, oil and natural gas to keep civilization going in most of the Northern Hemisphere going as it gets colder and colder.
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