'The Birthers' Continue to Hound Obama

The BO supporters at NBC would not have sent this story about Orly and Lt. Easterling to all their TV Stations across the US unless they wanted to publicize Orly’s Military Cases because BO’s lawyers set her up knowing that Orly was not an experienced enough lawyer to win a case against BO.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/us_world/US-Soldier-Calls-Obama-an-Impostor.html

One of Berg’s list of ‘exhibits’ is Maya’s HI certification of live birth. Berg is smart enough to not release that to the public.

Where does Berg say this? It's not on his list of court document that he's filed.

Considering it is an AOL poll, we must have knocked the socks off the Obots in this one! :)

This is the same AOL poll that had McCain beating Obama by 30 points.

Orly IS eactly on the right TRACK.

And you can't take it,can you?

Buahahahahahahahahaha!

Go Orly GO!

Frantzie nailed it:

“You are right. Orly got set up by O’s lawyers. She was trying but smart and ruthless Dem attorneys will set up a trap and it looks like she may have fallen for it.

She needs an experienced attorney running her cases with full control.”

“You are right. Orly got set up by O’s lawyers. She was trying but smart and ruthless Dem attorneys will set up a trap and it looks like she may have fallen for it.

She needs an experienced attorney running her cases with full control.”

You were saying —

And you can’t take it,can you?

Buahahahahahahahahaha!

Go Orly GO!

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Well, I know that FreeManN was simply trying to give a reasoned response (and his ideas) about the situation with Orly and the complications for Easterling. And I think FreeManN’s advice was wise (get a lawyer before you go to “that lawyer” [Orly...]). I mean, there are serious consequences and a “ruined life” for a military man, who has most likely served (and is serving) his country well.

That’s not the way to treat a military man. It’s kind of like using him for cannon fodder and to get on the news, but let him “take the fall” and ruin his life. That’s not a nice picture at all...

BUT, having said that — it should be *very apparent* to many who read these threads — that there is no “reasoned response” to many who inhabit these types of threads. In this “netherworld” of the Obama qualifications issue — the only thing that counts is — *you must always say something negative about Obama* — and no reasonable explanations... LOL...

There is only *always negative* about Obama — or — “troll”, “get lost”, “you must be worried”, “Obot”, “liberal”, “Obama supporter” — and it goes on and on (I forget everything that one can be called... :-) ...)

It’s a world in which reason doesn’t count for anything and only getting rid of Obama counts — no matter whether anything is true or not or substantiated or not or successful or not. It’s a strange world. Of course, the malady *has been named* (being identified nationally) as “Obama Derangement Syndrome”

It would be different if people weren’t talking about tanks surrounding the White House, or a judge ordering a US Marshal to escort Obama out of the White House, because that judge determined that Obama is not President. But, no..., these are the types of fallacies that persist in this netherworld. :-)

For those who may not know that “Obama Derangement Syndrome” has been identified and named by others (and is the source of articles, nationally)..., you can see the following...

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/avoiding-the-clutches-of-obama-derangement-syndrome/

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjQyOTgxM2M0YWMxOTdhZDcwMzlmMDU1ZGYxNzFkMmQ=

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16306.html

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obama%20derangement%20syndrome

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Sorry to say that, but after reading all this stuff since before the election and after the election and seeing the absolute “disconnect” with reality, it’s really what is happening with some here...

Didn’t Obama talk about visiting his mother in Pakistan while she was working there in the 80’s. She obviously wasn’t travelling on any American passport to be living there at that time. This all stinks so much that it’s hard to contain myself. IT’s beyond pitchfork time.

For the record, officials in Hawaii declared last October that there was no doubt Obama was born in the state.

For the record, I declared that the MSM and those who listen to them twisted their comments. No DOH official in Hawaii ever stated that O was born in Hawaii.

And Politico is another stooge for Obama.

Troll.

And a bone headed one at that.

You are either a patriot....or not.

Shame on the both of you.
Many will pay a high price to keep our freedoms in this fight, and who are you two to say who should pay what price...or not.

Chips down, you both would run.

So you can run now or later, I do not really care.

bookmark.

Yes, he claimed he was visiting his mother in Pakistan who was supposedly working for USAID.

It was August of 1981 that Barack Obama and his Pakistani roommate traveled to Indonesia (2-week stay), then went on to Pakistan, then visited India.

Only problem with this scenario is, at that very time in 1981, his mother was in Hawaii filing for divorce from Lolo Soetoro, Barry’s stepdad.

As Senator Obama the presidential candidate, his website claimed that he never had a U.S. passport until he was sent to Congress.

Wow! Isn’t that odd? So, what passport did he use to travel to Indonesia, Pakistan, and India in 1981?

U.S. Supreme Court
Newman v. United States ex Rel. Frizzell, 238 U.S. 537 (1915)
Newman v. United States ex Rel. Frizzell

No. 813

Argued April 13, 1915

Decided June 21, 1915

238 U.S. 537

ERROR TO THE COURT OF APPEALS

OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Syllabus

In quo warranto proceedings brought in the name of the United States on the relation of a citizen and taxpayer of the District of Columbia for the purpose of ousting from the office of Civil Commissioner of the District one appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate on the ground that he was not, as required by the Act of June 11, 1878, c. 180, § 1, 20 Stat. 103, an actual resident of the District of Columbia for three years next preceding his appointment, held that:

In early days, usurpation of office was treated as a crime, and could be prosecuted only as such and by duly authorized prosecuting officer, and a private citizen could not prosecute such a proceeding.

Subsequently, after modification of the criminal features, the writ of quo warranto came to be used as a means of determining which of two claimants was entitled to an office.

Under the District Code of 1902, quo warranto is not limited to proceedings against municipal officers, but extends to all persons in the District exercising any office, civil or military; these provisions never having been judicially interpreted heretofore, this

Page 238 U. S. 538

case must be determined according to the special language of that Code in the light of general principles applicable to quo warranto.

Owing to the many reasons of public policy against permitting a public officer to be harassed with litigation over his right to hold office, Congress has not authorized, but has placed obstacles in the way of, a private citizen on his own motion to attack an incumbent’s title to office.

Under the District of Columbia Code, a third person may not institute quo warranto proceedings without the consent of the law officers of the government and also of the Supreme Court of the District.

The District Code makes a distinction between a “third person” and an “interested person” in maintaining quo warranto proceedings.

While every citizen and every taxpayer is interested in the enforcement of law and in having only qualified officers execute the law, such general interest is not a private but a public interest, which is not sufficient to authorize the institution of quo warranto proceedings.

The mere fact that one is a citizen and taxpayer of the District of Columbia does not make him an interested party who may maintain quo warranto proceedings against the incumbent of an office on the consent of the court, although the law officers of the government refuse such consent.

An interested person within the meaning of the provisions of the District Code in regard to quo warranto proceedings is one who has an interest in the office itself peculiar to himself whether the office be elective or appointive.

Unless the right to maintain quo warranto proceedings under the District Code were limited to persons actually and personally interested, every officer attached to the government at Washington would be subject to attack by persons having no claim in the office or interest therein different from that of every other citizen and taxpayer of the United States.

As §§ 1538-1540, Code District of Columbia, apply to actions in quo warranto instituted by authorized parties against national officers of the United States, they are general laws of the United States, and not merely local laws of the District of Columbia, and the judgment of the Court of Appeals of the District construing those sections is reviewable by this Court under § 250, Judicial Code.

43 App.D.C. 53 reversed.

Page 238 U. S. 539

The President, on June 23, 1913, nominated Oliver P. Newman as Civil Commissioner of the District of Columbia. The nomination was referred to a standing committee of the Senate. Certain persons filed objections to the confirmation on the ground that “Newman had not been an actual resident of the District for three years immediately prior to his nomination,” and therefore was not qualified to hold the office under the provision of the Act of 1878 [Footnote 1] (20 Stat. 103, § 1).

At the hearing before the committee, there was testimony that Newman, who was a newspaper correspondent, came to Washington in March, 1910, with the intention of becoming a resident of the District. He rented an apartment in which he resided until the opening of the Presidential Campaign, in the summer of 1912. He was then assigned to newspaper work which took him out of the city. He accepted the employment upon the understanding that it was a temporary arrangement and that he was to return to Washington as soon as the campaign was over. In the discharge of his duties as correspondent, he was absent in Chicago and other places until the inauguration. He then returned to Washington and was there living when, on June 23, 1913, he was appointed one of the Civil Commissioners of the District. The committee made a favorable report, and he was then confirmed by the Senate.

Thereafter, William J. Frizzell called the attention of the Attorney General and the district attorney to facts which, he insisted, “proved that Newman had not been an actual resident of the District for three years next preceding his nomination.” On the basis of such facts,

Page 238 U. S. 540

he requested those officers to institute quo warranto proceedings for the purpose of ousting Newman from the office. Both officers declined the request, and thereupon Frizzell, alleging himself to be a citizen and a taxpayer of the District, applied to the Supreme Court of the District for permission to use the name of the government in quo warranto proceedings. The court granted the request, and thereupon this case of the “United States on the relation of William J. Frizzell v. Oliver P. Newman” was instituted.

The respondent demurred on many grounds, among others, that Frizzell was not an interested person, and that the court could not go behind the finding of the President and of the Senate that Newman was qualified. The demurrer was overruled and the case submitted to the jury to decide the question of fact as to Newman’s residence. Testimony was taken explanatory of his absence from Washington on newspaper work. The court, among other things, charged the jury that there was a difference between “legal residence” and “actual residence.” Under the charge, the jury found against Newman. The judgment ousting him from the office was affirmed by the Court of Appeals of the District, one judge dissenting.

The case is here on a writ of error which raises several important questions which, however, cannot be decided if, under the laws of the District of Columbia, Frizzell, as a private citizen, was not authorized to institute this proceeding to test the title to a public office to which he himself made no claim.

Page 238 U. S. 543

MR. JUSTICE LAMAR, after making the foregoing statement, delivered the opinion of the Court.

1. Usurpation of a public office from an early day was treated as a crime, and, like all other crimes, could be prosecuted only in the name of the King by his duly authorized law officers. When a judgment was obtained against the intruder, he was not only ousted from his office,

Page 238 U. S. 544

but fined for his criminal usurpation. A private citizen could no more prosecute such a proceeding in his own name than he could in his own name prosecute for the crime of murder, even though the victim was his near kinsman.

2. But, in time, the criminal features were modified, and it was recognized that there might be many cases which, though justifying quo warranto proceedings, were not of such general importance as to require the attorney general to take charge of the litigation. This was especially true in reference to the usurpation of certain municipal offices named in 9th Anne, c. 20. By that act, passed in 1710, it was therefore provided that it should be lawful

“for the proper officer, by leave of the court, to exhibit an information in the nature of a quo warranto at the relation of any person desiring to prosecute the same”

against the designated municipal officers. The writ thus came to be used as a means of determining which of two claimants was entitled to an office, but continued to be so far treated as a criminal proceeding as to warrant not only a judgment of ouster, but a fine against the respondent if he was found to have been guilty of usurpation. Standard Oil Co. v. Missouri, 224 U. S. 282. This quasi-criminal act was adopted in some of the American states, and formed the basis of statutes in others. It does not seem ever to have been of force in any form in the District of Columbia. Torbert v. Bennett, 24 Wash.Law Rep. 156.

In 1902, Congress adopted a District Code, containing a chapter on quo warranto which, though modeled after the English statute, differed therefrom in several material particulars. The writ was treated as a civil remedy; it was not limited to proceedings against municipal officers, but to all persons who in the District exercised any office, civil or military. It was made available to test the right to exercise a public franchise or to hold an office in a private corporation. Instead of providing that “any person desiring to prosecute” might do so with the consent

Page 238 U. S. 545

of the court, certain restrictions were imposed and one enlargement of the right was made. These provisions [Footnote 2] have never received judicial interpretation. This case must therefore be determined according to the special language of that Code, in the light of general principles applicable to quo warranto, — the prerogative writ by which

Page 238 U. S. 546

the government can call upon any person to show by what warrant he holds a public office or exercises a public franchise.

3. The District Code still treats usurpation of office as a public wrong which can be corrected only by proceeding in the name of the government itself. It permits those proceedings to be instituted by the Attorney General of the United States and by the attorney for the District of Columbia. By virtue of their position, they, at their discretion and acting under the sense of official responsibility, can institute such proceedings in any case they deem proper. But there are so many reasons of public policy against permitting a public officer to be harassed with litigation over his right to hold office that the Code not only does not authorize a private citizen, on his own motion, to attack the incumbent’s title, but it throws obstacles in the way of all such private attacks. It recognizes, however, that there might be instances in which it would be proper to allow such proceedings to be instituted by a third person, but it provides that such “third person” must not only secure the consent of the law officers of the government, but the consent of the Supreme Court of the District of Columbia before he can use the name of the government in quo warranto proceedings.

4. The Code — making a distinction between a “third person” and an “interested person” — recognizes also that there might be instances in which a person might have such an interest in the matter as to entitle him to a hearing, even where he had failed to secure the consent of the Attorney General or District Attorney to use the name of the United States. Section 1540 deals with that case, and provides that, where these law officers have refused the request of a “person interested,” he may apply to the court by a verified petition for leave to have said writ issue. If, in the opinion of the court, his reasons are sufficient in law, the said writ shall be allowed to be

Page 238 U. S. 547

issued in the name of the United States on the relation of said interested person on his giving security for costs.

If the question of Frizzell’s “interest” here had depended upon a matter about which the evidence was in conflict, the finding of the supreme court might not be subject to review. But if the established facts show that, as a matter of law, he was not an “interested person,” the court had no authority to grant him permission to use the name of the government, and the case must be dismissed. So that the fundamental question is whether the law of force in the District permitted him, as a private citizen, without the consent of the law officers, to test Newman’s title to the public office of Civil Commissioner.

Frizzell does not allege that he had been an incumbent of that office and had been unlawfully ousted before his term expired. He does not set up any claim to the office. And, of course, if he, as a citizen and a taxpayer, has the right to institute these proceedings, any other citizen and taxpayer has a similar right to institute proceedings against Newman and all others who “exercise within the District . . . a public office, civil or military.” District Code, §1538(1). Such result would defeat the whole policy of the law, which still regards usurpation as a public wrong to be dealt with primarily by the public prosecutors.

5. In a sense — in a very important sense — every citizen and every taxpayer is interested in the enforcement of law, in the administration of law, and in having only qualified officers execute the law. But that general interest is not a private, but a public, interest. Being such, it is to be represented by the Attorney General or the District Attorney, who are expected by themselves or those they authorize to institute quo warranto proceedings against usurpers in the same way that they are expected to institute proceedings against any other violator of the law.

Page 238 U. S. 548

That general public interest is not sufficient to authorize a private citizen to institute such proceedings, for, if it was, then every citizen and every taxpayer would have the same interest and the same right to institute such proceedings, and a public officer might, from the beginning to the end of his term, be harassed with proceedings to try his title.

6. As pointed out in the carefully prepared opinion of the majority of the Court of Appeals of the District, there is much conflict as to the meaning of the phrase “interested person” in this class of cases. At first reading, the conflict seems irreconcilable. But, upon examination, it will appear that the difference is often due to a difference in the public policy and statutes of the respective states. In some, the writ issues only at the request of the government’s law officers; in others, at the instance of a person claiming the office; in others, at the request of a person claiming the office or interested therein; in others, at the instance of a person interested; in others, at the request of any person who can secure the consent of the court, and in five or six others, the legislature has thrown open the door and permitted any person who desires to do so to use the writ. This is true of the acts underlying some of the decisions relied on by the relator, Frizzell.

For example, the English cases are based on the statute of 9th Anne, c. 20, which, in terms, related to suits against those “who unlawfully exercise an office within cities, towns and boroughs.” It expressly authorized the courts to permit informations in the nature of quo warranto “at the relation of any person . . . desiring to sue or prosecute the same.” Some of the other decisions cited are from states where the statute provides that the proceedings might be instituted at the relation of “any person desiring to present the same;” “upon the complaint of any private party;” “upon the relation of any person desiring to sue or prosecute the same.” But there

Page 238 U. S. 549

are so many and such weighty reasons against permitting private persons to raise questions as to the incumbent’s title to a public office that, even in those states which permit “any person” to institute quo warranto, the courts have always required the relator to show that he was a citizen and taxpayer.

The act of Congress of force in the District, instead of being limited to municipal officers, applies to any office, “civil or military,” and differs from those in any of these states. It specially differs from those which treat the writ as being available to any person. The Code provides that a “third person” — the equivalent of “any person” — may institute the proceedings only after he had secured the consent of the law officers and the court. It makes a distinction between a “third person” and an “interested person,” and provides that, if the Attorney General refuses to give his consent to the latter, such “interested person” may secure the right to use the name of the government by satisfying the Supreme Court of the District that his reasons for applying therefore are sufficient in law.

Frizzell applied to the Attorney General for permission to institute the proceedings. Failing to secure that consent, he then applied to the Supreme Court, claiming that the fact that he was a citizen and a taxpayer made him an “interested person,” entitled to the use of the writ. But such a construction would practically nullify the requirement to obtain the consent of the Attorney General and the District Attorney. For, if being a citizen and a taxpayer was sufficient to warrant the court in giving the consent, it was useless to require an application to be first made to the Attorney General, because practically every litigant would have the qualification of citizenship, and many would have that of being a property owner.

7. Considering the ancient policy of the law and the restrictions imposed by the language of the Code, it is evident that, in passing this statute, Congress used the

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words “third person” in the sense of “any person,” and the phrase “person interested” in the sense in which it so often occurs in the law, prohibiting a judge from presiding in a case in which he is interested; preventing a juror from sitting in a case in which he is interested, and permitting interested persons to institute quo warranto proceedings. In the illustrations suggested, the interest which a judge had as a member of the public would not disqualify him from sitting in a case of great public importance and in which the community at large was concerned. The interest which disqualifies a juror from serving, as well as the interest which would authorize this plaintiff to sue, must be some personal and direct interest in the subject of the litigation. The same definition has often been given in quo warranto cases. The interest which will justify such a proceeding by a private individual must be more than that of another taxpayer. It must be “an interest in the office itself, and must be peculiar to the applicant.” Demarest v. Wickham, 63 N.Y. 320; Commonwealth ex Rel. McLaughlin v. Cluley, 56 Pa.St. 270; State v. Taylor, 208 Mo. 442; Robinson v. Jones, 14 Fla. 256; In re Stein, 13 Neb. 529; State ex Rel. Depue v. Matthews, 44 W.Va. 372, 384; Com. ex Rel. Butterfield v. McCarter, 98 Pa.St. 607; State v. Boal, 46 Mo. 528; Brown v. Alderman, 82 Vt. 529; Mills v. State, 2 Wash. 572; Antrim v. Reardon, 161 Ind. 250; Harrison v. Greaves, 58 Miss. 455; Andrews v. State, 69 Miss. 740(3), 746; Tontray v. Budge, 14 Idaho, 639; Hudson v. Conklin, 77 Kan. 764; Vrooman v. Michie, 69 Mich. 47; Dakota v. Hauxhurst, 3 Dak. 205.

The language of the Code, supported by the history and policy of the law, sustains the proposition that one who has no interest except that which is common to every other member of the public is not entitled to use the name of the government in quo warranto proceedings.

Page 238 U. S. 551

For if the allegations in such a suit by a private citizen set out any cause of action at all, it shows on its face that it was a cause of action belonging to the whole body of the public, and which therefore should be prosecuted by the public representative.

The rule is the same regardless whether the office is elective or appointive. For in neither case is there any intent to permit the public office to be the subject matter of private litigation at the instance of one who has no interest therein which differs from that of every other member of the public. The claim that this construction makes the statute nugatory cannot be sustained, for the statute, as already pointed out, gives a person who has been unlawfully ousted before his term expired a right, on proof of interest, to the issuance of the writ, and there might be cases under the civil service law in which the relator would have an interest and therefore a right to be heard.

8. The conclusion that the relator must have a personal interest in the office before he can sue in the name of the United States is strengthened by the fact that the courts of the District not only have jurisdiction to issued quo warranto against officers of the District, but against all those, attached to the seat of government, who held a statutory office. For, if a private citizen and taxpayer could institute quo warranto proceedings to test the title to the office of Civil Commissioner of the District, he could, under the same claim of right, institute like proceedings against any of those statutory officers of the United States who, in the District, exercise many important functions which affect persons and things throughout the entire country.

The President has the power of removal, and there have been few, if any, cases brought to test the title of federal offices. But such cases might arise as to statutory officers attached to the seat of government, and if

Page 238 U. S. 552

they did, the Supreme Court of the District could exercise quo warranto jurisdiction, as it now does in cases of mandamus and injunction against appointed federal officers who perform duties in Washington. This appears from comparing the provisions of Rev.Stat. §§ 1795 and 1796 with § 1538(1) of the District Code. The Revised Statutes declare that the District of Columbia shall be the seat of government, and “all offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in the District of Columbia.” The Code (§ 1538(1)) provides that the supreme court shall have jurisdiction to grant quo warranto “against a person who unlawfully holds or exercises within the District a . . . public office, civil or military.” It was probably because of this fact that national officers might be involved that the Attorney General of the United States was given power to institute such proceedings, instead of leaving that power to the District Attorney alone, as would probably have been the case if only District officers were referred to in the Code.

Manifestly, Congress did not intend that all these officers attached to the executive branch of the government at Washington should be subject to attacks by persons who had no claim on the office, no right in the office, and no interest which was different from that of every other citizen and taxpayer of the United States.

9. This fact also shows that §§ 1538-1540 of the District Code, in proper cases, instituted by proper officers or persons, may be enforceable against national officers of the United States. The sections are therefore to be treated as general laws of the United States, not as mere local laws of the District. Being a law of general operation, it can be reviewed on writ of error from this Court. American Co. v. Commissioners of the District, 224 U. S. 491; McGowan v. Parish, 228 U. S. 317.

It follows that the motion to dismiss is denied; the

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application for a writ of certiorari is refused, the judgment is reversed, and the case remanded with instructions to dismiss the quo warranto proceedings.

Reversed.

MR. JUSTICE McKENNA and MR. JUSTICE PITNEY dissent.

MR. JUSTICE VAN DEVANTER dissents upon the ground that, the sections of the District Code being local laws, the case cannot be reviewed here on writ of error.

[Footnote 1]

“The two persons appointed from civil life shall, at the time of their appointment, be citizens of the United States, and shall have been actual residents of the District of Columbia for three years next before their appointment, and have, during that period, claimed residence nowhere else. . . .”

[Footnote 2]

“SEC. 1538. Against whom issued. — A quo warranto may be issued from the Supreme Court of the District in the name of the United States —”

“First. Against a person who usurps, intrudes into, or unlawfully holds or exercises within the District a franchise or public office, civil or military, or an office in any domestic corporation.”

“Second. Against any one or more persons who act as a corporation within the District without being duly authorized, or exercise within the District any corporate rights, privileges, or franchises not granted them by the laws in force in said District.”

“And said proceedings shall be deemed a civil action.”

“SEC. 1539. Who may institute. — The Attorney General or the District Attorney may institute such proceeding on his own motion, or on the relation of a third person. But such writ shall not be issued on the relation of a third person except by leave of the court, to be applied for by the relator, by a petition duly verified, setting forth the grounds of the application, or until the relator shall file a bond with sufficient surety, to be approved by the clerk of the court, in such penalty as the court may prescribe, conditioned for the payment by him of all costs incurred in the prosecution of the writ in case the same shall not be recovered from and paid by the defendant.”

“SEC. 1540. If Attorney General and district attorney refuse. — If the Attorney General and District Attorney shall refuse to institute such proceeding on the request of a person interested, such person may apply to the court by verified petition for leave to have said writ issued, and if in the opinion of the court the reasons set forth in said petition are sufficient in law, the said writ shall be allowed to be issued by any attorney, in the name of the United States, on the relation of said interested person, on his compliance with the condition prescribed in the last section as to security for costs.”

“SEC. 1541. Relator claiming office. — When such proceeding is against a person for usurping an office on the relation of a person claiming the same office, the relator shall set forth in his petition the facts upon which he claims to be entitled to the office.”

Here are excellent analyses of the “natural born Citizen” question.

Judah Benjamin. Another anonymous hack on the Internet along with "P.A. Madison."

Why is it all anyone can seem to ever point to are anonymous hacks on the Internet? What, there have never been any real constitutional scholars who have ever written anything on the subject?

Yes, supposedly they were acquired through FOIA.

Stanley Ann D. Obama was outside of the United States at the time of Barack Hussein Obama II’s birth.

Really? Where are these passport records of Obama's mother? Where can we see them?

Or is this just yet more unsubstantiated Internet rumor being passed off as fact?

“She did not re-enter the U.S. until August 8, 1961, four days after he was born.” - - - - - - - - - -'

i remember reading that, probably on the same thread as you did.

Strange how those facts seemed to disappear from websites after it was posted here...

It's never been established as fact. No one has produced Dunahm's passport records.

Strangely, the date of August 8, 1961 as being the date she's claimed to have re-entered the US, coincides with the date on Obama's Certification of Live Birth as to when his birth was filed by the state registrar. Seems someone used a fact to try and establish a myth.

The date filed by the registrar being several days after Obama's birth isn't anything unusual at all. ALL of the other Hawaiian COLBs that have surfaced since this whole thing began show registration dates some days after the date of birth.

Hell, on my own Texas birth certificate, the date the registrar received the registration of my birth was nine days after my date of birth.

Those four days after he was born are suspect.

No, it's not. EVERY Hawaiian COLB that has shown up since all of this has had a registration date some days after the date of birth. What would be suspect would be if the registration date were the same date as the date of birth.

Which Obama? We know Obama has a sister. Is THAT the Obama who was born in the state?

She's a half-sister. Her father was Lolo Soetoro, not Barack Obama, Sr., so she would not have the last name of Obama.

Maybe his birth certificate called him “caucasian.”

No.

Hawaiian birth certificates don't (nor my own Texas birth certificate for that matter) list race for the child. Only the race of the parents is listed.

That would be a powerful fact in an argument I'm having with someone. Can you supply any more information?

No one has produced any passport records for Obama's mother. It's just more stuff that's been made up and tossed out on the Internet and passed off as fact.