Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
His argument rests on the assumption that all 2007 COLB seals look exactly like the one he posted. This assumption is not substantiated.
I also don't take his word for it that the 2007 COLB he posted and claims to be authentic is in fact authentic.
Ayers has no position in the Annenberg Foundation. Nor has he any connection with Factcheck.
Substantiation of Hawaii's policy isn't provided simply by comparing a few photos. How do you know that whatever differences exist in those photos are not in keeping with the policy?
This is actually the major repeating flaw in Polarik's entire work. What he does is present two versions of something and then assert that differences (even when they are really there, which isn't always true) mean forgery. But differences don't necessarily mean forgery. That leap must be proven just as much as showing there are differences in the first place. That doesn't happen. Polarik's entire analysis ultimately rests on him saying the COLB is forgery just because he says so.
Interesting.
Certainly it would be easier for the courts to act if Obama had very low popularity ratings and showed himself to be destructive and incompetent.
But I’m not sure if he’s that dumb. And he has a lot of expert helpers—assuming that hillary doesn’t turn against him and subvert him.
Only a parent can do anything legally for a minor; that is the maening of "minor."
No, it is use who are lying. A parent cannot renounce a child's citizenship for him.
Furthermore, a child cannot renounce his own citizenship. Only an adult, age 18 or older, can renounce his citizenship for himself.
Obama was not an adult when he was in Indonesia, so it follows he could not have lost his citizenship while he was there.
Furthermore, there no evidence he ever renounced his citizenship as an adult.
The courts aren't basing their decisions on politics.
"But I’m not sure if he’s that dumb. And he has a lot of expert helpers—assuming that hillary doesn’t turn against him and subvert him."
I'm not sure he's not that dumb. I don't know, he could be very intelligent and very wrong, but I just haven't seen anything yet that makes him seem all that smart.
As for having Hillary helping...If I had to run an organized crime ring I might want Hillary's expert advice. But I'd be watching my back. Anything else I wouldn't listen to a word she said.
Bullsh*t. He posts pics of other 2007 CoLB's and compares them with the FactCheck.
I also don't take his word for it that the 2007 COLB he posted and claims to be authentic is in fact authentic.
Then why do you take the word of FactCheck and or Obama regarding his CoLB....?? Because David Brock says so...?
I'm more prone to take the word of a person when he signs his name to his work and puts his repuation on the line. Obama and the Factcheck people have done both.
"Dr." Polarik hasn't. He can make things up, forge photos with impugnity, and risks no adverse consequences for being exposed as a fraud. The same is not true for Obama and Factcheck.
Well, Obama appears to have hundreds of very bright, capable, and corrupt clintonoids in his administration, from Rahm Emmanuel on down. So, the question is: are they working for him, or Hillary, or both? Or are they maybe working for themselves? I doubt if anyone really knows for sure.
I have read several presidential biographies and do not recall any of those books listing facts related to baby showers, or their parents dining arrangements in the days after the birth of the future president in question.
However, it seems that you may be more adept presidential scholar than me. That being the case I am sure you would know these details of these president's births.
Who brought dinner to Millard Fillmore's mother after the birth of her child?
Who held a baby shower for Zachary Taylor's mother when she was pregnant with the 12th President of the United States?
Who visited Ronald Reagan's mother in the days just following the birth of our 40th President?
So, one week, the seal looks a certain way, the next week, they happen to use a different design; the week after that, they use another design altogether...etc, etc. I don't buy that, not for an instant.
Nope, if Obama really wants to settle this issue, once and for all, get him to release a copy of his long form birth certificate. There is simply no excuse for not doing so, by this point. None.
He posts a picture of exactly 1. Nowhere does he substantiate his assumption that all 2007 COLB's look exactly like that one. No reference to Hawaii Dept. of Public Health policy. Nothing.
The good "Dr." expects us to take it on faith.
Forgive me if I don't put my faith in an individual who refuses to put his name and reputation behind his work.
I still don't know the actual name of the Freeper who discovered the discrepancies in the Memogate scandal four and a half years ago, but that didn't invalidate the discoveries that he made.
Why don't you come forward, and reveal your real name, troll...?
No, I didn't say that at all. I'm saying *IF* there are differences in images that's not enough. I'm not saying anything about what the policy is or isn't regarding seals. I'm pointing out that showing differences isn't the same thing as establishing what the policy is.
No marriage cert, but there is a divorce decree. Why would Ann have bothered with a divorce if they had not married in some fashion?
Yes, and only can actually have the correct 2007 seal. Try to use your common sense. That is why we want to see the source document, and have him show us the copy of the long form birth certificate. Something that he should have done by now.
Maybe you should try some common sense and realize that they do alternate the designs from year to year. The only way to resolve this is to show us the long form birth certificate. Obama doesn’t want to shell out the twelve bucks to the DoH for some strange reason.
I’ll give you that round. The excerpt was not that long.
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