Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Perhaps we can save some time here. If each of these statements is based something other than an assumption, please cite the substantiation for them. Thanks.
Apparently, they don't like folks posting pics from Photobucket anymore. But all the necessary photos and comparisons are there.
Why don't you got back to Media Matters where you belong?
We’ve been all over this before. Look at the link at post #863.
Member since January 30, 2009.
Hm?....And...Nearly all of your posts have been as an Obama Afterbirth Mopper-Upper.
I’ve been reading for a long time, and I’m interested in the birth certificate question. I was hoping to understand the image analysis and the implications. I’m skeptical about the posted COLB, but that doesn’t mean I won’t correct misinformation about medical issues. If a new poster isn’t welcome to do that, I’ll stop posting.
The fact that Ayers was involved in the Challange does not mean he "runs" the Foundation. Heck, he didn't even run the Challange.
The only surviving founder of the Foundation is a Republican and explicitly endorsed McCain during the election.
The Annenberg Challenge was a non-partisan educational project that included both conservatives and leftists, including Ayers and Obama. Ayers did not run the Challange, but was merely one of several people on its board, which included both leftists and conservatives. IMHO, including Ayers in the project was a serious error in judgement. Nevertheless, it does not invalidate the fact that the Annenberg Challenge is distinct from the Annenberg Foundation. Nor does mean that Ayers has anything to do with other Foundation projects, like Factcheck.
Yes, you posted some very nice photos.
However, there's nothing in the link that I could see that substantiates "Dr." Polarik's assertion that the state of Hawaii had a policy of using a different seal for documents issued in 2007 than for those issued in 2006 or 2008.
BTW, "Dr.", why do you insist on such verbosity? You can't even keep your supposed "executive summary" short and to the point!
We have not been over this before.
I don't believe the link in post #863 substantiates those statements, does it? It says what you've said here.
Yes there is. He posts photos from an actual 2007 CoLB and compares them with the FactCheck photos. Go back and look at them.
Yes it does. Go back and read the entire blogpost.
It’s laughable that a photo of his so-called birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos is supposed to serve as some sort of official notice. Why was it not presented to a reputable new organization? This guy is a total fraud.
Excerpt:
Stanley Kurtz of the National Review has been closely following Obama’s ties to Ayers as well as his association to ACORN .
While both the AP and the New York Times are reporting that there is no “truth” to the claims that Obama had “ties” to Ayers, Kurtz has uncovered a long standing association between the two men, one that leads straight to the Annenberg Foundation:
Ayers was a “key founder” of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
In 1995 Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Annenberg Chicago Challenge, a “branch of the Annenberg Foundation”.
Ayers co-chaired the Chicago Annenberg “Collaborative”, which set education policy for the “Challenge”.
Obama was “authorized to delegate to the Collaborative the development of collaborative projects and programs”.
Obama had to “obtain assistance of the Collaborative in the development of requests for proposals.”
Obama had to “seek advice from the Collaborative regarding the programmatic aspects of grant proposals.”
Ayers sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”.
Obama and Ayers sat together on the board’s Governance Committee.
Ayers and Obama were “part of a group of four instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern CAC”.
As Board Chair, Obama authorized the funding for Ayers educational projects, as well as projects of Ayers’ “radical” friends.
Obama and Ayers “guided” monies to ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now).
Kurtz also points out Obama’s tenure as Board Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in regards to the one and only “executive experience” of Obama which was rated as a bust:
“The Chicago Annenberg Challenge stands as Barack Obama’s most important executive experience to date. By its own account, CAC was a largely a failure. And a series of critical evaluations point to reasons for that failure, including a poor strategy, to which the foundation over-committed in 1995, and over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise. The failure of CAC thus raises entirely legitimate questions, both about Obama’s competence, his alliances with radical community organizers, and about Ayers’s continuing influence over CAC and its board, headed by Obama. Above all, by continuing to fund Ayers’s personal projects, and those of his political-educational allies, Obama was lending moral and material support to Ayers’s profoundly radical efforts. Ayers’s terrorist history aside, that makes the Ayers-Obama relationship a perfectly legitimate issue in this campaign.”
Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of whether Obama’s birth certificate, which purportedly proves he’s a citizen of the United States, is authentic.
In debate you should be able to make your opponent’s point. In jazz, a Coltrane would play the notes that suggested the rest of the tune without being it. What is the sound of one hand clapping?
The answer to the last is what a deaf man hears.
Good for you. I was born only 32 years ago and I can't. Most people I know can't, either.
I was born (OMG) 57 years ago, and the only reason I know my Dr's name is he was a good friend of my Mom.
Funny, Years later, I met his son, when he & I were Botanist's at "Shaw's Garden) In St Louis.
“The only seeming fact there appears to be here isn’t that Obama can’t prove he’s a natural born citizen, but rather those who are motivated by politics and want to make this a political issue can’t seem to prove that he is not.”
We don’t want to make this a political issue. It IS a political issue, but you keep throwing up straw men.
Go to a bank and ask to borrow $1,000,000.
See how far you will get if they ask for proof of your
collateral, and you tell them to prove that you have none.
Have you seen O’s long form BC, or even a copy? No, I did not think so. Now prove that your not a leftist troll.
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