Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
He is a shameful character, both in his policies and in the way he handles himself. But the public is catching on. Rasmussen shows his approval rating down again today:
Let him keep it up and everybody but the DNC will be filing eligibility suits.
And shame on us for allowing this usurper to be thrust upon us.
“WHEN I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once.And others have re-introduced you to the treatise "Law of Nations", which goes further than Blackstone.“Yet the children of the king’s embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held to be born under the king of England’s allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husband’s consent, might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain.
“THE children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is an alien.”
There is plenty of support in law for the position that since a man's Dad is a foreign citizen of temporary residence in the United States, that the man even if born on the National Mall during the 4th of July celebration, with thousands of witnesses -- is not "natural born".
He knew that, but it didn’t serve his destructive purpose.
Well, he’s a sour egg, if not a paid troll.
Just another abamanoid n00b playing the Alinsky shuffle. Obammy’s troops are lairs at heart. Says a lot about the one they idolize don’tchaknow.
His sister, for one. Apparently she corrected herself and since her original interview in 2004 has been consistently saying Kapiolani is the birthplace:
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/18/news/story03.html
Obama too, has consistently said it is Kapiolani.
Finally, one of the teachers at his school, who was a friend of his family, also says it was Kapiolani.
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html
As far as I can tell, the only source of the misinformation that he was born in Queens Hospital is an interview his half-sister gave in 2004. All the evidence indicates she was simply mistaken and later corrected herself. I find this very plausible because she is younger than he, and was not even alive at the time of his birth and has no first hand knowledge of it.
As you may know, several relatives in Kenya seem to say that Obama was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii.
Simply not true.
Also, there does not seem to be any Hawaii hospital record that a Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama was ever a patient in a Hawaii hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.
Since hospitals in Hawaii are only required to keep records for 7 years for adults, and only until the 25th year for minors, I find this fact rather unremarkable.
Maybe nobody wants to admit that his mother was actually a jackal.
Sal “So Many Omens, So Little Time” Amander
mlo I can take or leave. MM, his style nauseates me.
From what I recall in reading Article II, there is no Constitutional requirement that someone recall bringing the president's mother dinner after his birth.
Yes there is. They've obtained actual CoLB's issued by the DoH in 2007 and they don't have the same seal as Obama's CoLB that was supposedly issued by the DoH in 2007. The different variation of the Seal design is something that the DoH from year to year. At, least so that they don't have the same seal design in back to back years.
Yes. And the border on Obama's certificate is identical to the border used on other 2007 certificates. So I don't see what your point is here.
Again, the proper seal design is supposed to match the borders. You have a 2007 CoLB, but the seal is not the correct one for 2007. This is why they alternate the seal design from year to year.
mlo is not a planted troll, he’s been here for a long time.
I am doing everything in my power to fight Bambi on these issues. I've donated money to the National Right to Work Defense Foundation, which is on the forefront in fighting card check. I donated to the GOP Senatorial Committee to preserve the fillibuster.
I've put my money where my mouth is. Have you?
Just because someone doesn't buy into birther conspiracy theories doesn't mean he's not a conservative.
Are you now going to start calling Michelle Malkin a leftist? How about Rush Limbaugh? How about the entire staff of the NRO?
If you really care about the conservative cuase, stop wasting your time tilting at windmills with this birther nonsense and do something substantive.
The **point** you are deliberately missing is that the natural born status of our other presidents was **self-evident** due to the armies of witnesses in the community.
Where are Obama’s witnesses to his family and mother's standing in the community, visits to the hospital to see the newborn Obama, dinners to the family after his birth, baby showers, witnesses at a christening,..etc?
Oh?...He can't produce this **self-evident** proof of his natural born status? He can NOT hold himself to the same standard as other presidents?
Well?....How about a lesser standard? He should instead produce a valid birth certificate, his adoption records, collage admission forms, passport, oath of allegiance to the nation after his return from Indonesia, and registration for the draft.
Obama holds Americans in despicable and cool contempt when he claims that ordinary Americans have no standing to expect that he prove himself constitutionally eligible for the position of president.
Except maybe the part about RatSkep (I'm sure it 's just an awkward phase :)
Wow. That's a whopper.
Did you make that one up yourself, or did you steal it from someone who's more creative than you in making stuff up?
that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king
I’m getting that “cringing/laughing” feeling again.
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