Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
If Malcolm X is Obama's father, it would mean that Barack is a Natural Born Citizen.
The law was amended in 1982, there were laws allowing foreign born babies, or born in other states IIRC, to be registered in HI. I think the first such law was enacted in 1911, and had another amendment in the 60s. Chief Engineer knows all the details.
(Courtesy Ping to CE - this subject has come up so often I will copy and paste anything you say about it on my desktop, sorry to bug you again.)
"Again, you make no sense."
"Under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 as it stood in 1961, 0bama wold NOT be a natural born citizen if born abroad because neither of his parents could confer that status."
No, you aren't making sense. What you mention here was not the issue.
The issue was about the claim he could get a Hawaiian birth certificate if he was born elsewhere.
See my comment above. It was amended in 1982, there was another similar law before. I don’t have the details but I hope CE will post them.
Any laziness is yours. When you make a claim it is up to you to back it up. How is anyone else supposed to know what you are talking about unless you tell them? That's inherrently irrational.
That doesn’t define “Natural Born,” it merely defines citizen at birth, which is not the same, and even then, those statutes are not retroactive; they only affect those born after their enactment.
Also note that the statutes that you post are in opposition to what you posted earlier. As per (a) a person born in the US is not a citizen unless under the jurisdiction of the US, so no resident visa, no citizen. Children of diplomats, and illegals that have not signed the acceptance clause in the application for a resident visa are not citizens, capiche????
No, I'm not saying that Mr. Obama goes back < 1934. The issue here is that he entitled to the benefits of current law or the older, whichever is more beneficial to him, unless specifically denied by a new, now current, law.
Example. Slavery was outlawed by the Emancipation Proclamation. It also served to make null and void previous laws regarding slavery, some of which granted certain rights to slaves, made certain commercial accommodations, etc, some of which actually benefited slaves. Although slavery was outlawed from the EP forward, the previous rights were not canceled.
The rights, benefits, innurements, are cumulative, not selective nor exclusionary. Yeah, there would be appeals on a ruling, but the foundation of this is well established.
No, I’m sorry you are wrong.
The legal meaning of Natural Born Citizen is one that is born a citizen, one that does not have to be “Naturalized” (made a citizen by operation of statute) at a later time.
It is NOT regulated solely by place of birth.
Argue all you want. The law is the law.
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Dang it, missed another one.
You like that phrase, don't you? Makes you sound all knowledgeable and stuff.
I think you're experiencing some {ZOT!} lightning burns now, yes?
Better put some ice on that. :-D
True.
We do know what is on the birth certificate. It says he was born in Honolulu.
Wait.
Would he still be if he was born in Canada or Kenya?
That info is found here and is how the Chinese national was able to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate eventhough he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
“The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.”
Found here:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
What you are referring to is his COLB, not his Birth Certificate.
The COLB has been widely discredited as a fraud by some.
It is also not clear as to what information was placed on a COLB in the case of a foreign born infant that was registered in Hawaii. Does the COLB reflect the actual place of BIRTH or the place of REGISTRATION?
The only definitive, authentic, document is the one that 0bama refuses to show.
Why is that?
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