Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
let’s not forget the FACTS - Yes Keyes ran for president, but he did not get the party nomination.
Granted I will give you the fact that the LSM drooled and had tingly feelings shoot up their leg over obama.
But that means President Biden.....ugh.
If he is proved to be ineligible, can you imagine the race riots....The thought of this alone is the reason that I think the SCOTUS is passing on all of the cases thus far.
I’m not saying that, it’s stated in the link I provided.
I have no clue .. I’m not a constitutional lawyer.
If he is a natural born citizen, then what is he hiding on the birth certificate?
It must be pretty embarrassing....
“There’s no existent federal statute which specifically requires a citizen to produce any copy of their birth certificate to qualify for President, unfortunately.
But that wasn’t your original argument.
You stated that Hawaii officials had verified the validity of the COLB that he has thus far presented as a digitized image on the web, and to a few employees of FactCheck who aren’t document experts.
The Hawaii DOH officials didn’t verify that COLB.
I was incorrect in stating that the place of birth wouldn’t appear on the COLB, but since no experts (including the officials of the Hawaii DOH) have examined the COLB he’s presented, we don’t know if it’s authentic.
It would be very simple for Obama to let that happen, but he hasn’t. Thus the lawsuits, and the controversy.”
From Obama’s legal counsels’ point of view, its the principle of the thing: the short form certificate is valid for establishing citizenship for every other Hawaii citizen. Their legal argument is why should Barack Hussein Obama Junior’s short form COLB be treated any differently?
Hawaii only allows release of copies of the short form COLB, even to the person named on the certificate.
None of us know what has already been presented to Bush administration officials for Obama’s security clearance to engage in his top secret briefings that have already begun with CIA and NSA officials.
Even if you think he was a natural born citizen, you have to acknowledge that his refusal to do a very simple thing, release the birth certificate, is highly suspicious.
It is quite possible that the birth certificate bears an annotation of his adoption by Soetero, making him thenceforth an Indonesian citizen, a status he never renounced. Furthermore, it may be that his birth certificate even bears the last name Soetero, depending on the practice of that state at the time. What would be the legal ramifications of such a thing? I have no idea, but whatever they are, I’m sure Obama has consulted about it and has decided that the results would possibly not be favorable to him. At the very least, it reveals him as an unscrupulous liar, but we all knew that anyway.
The fact that the Dems tried to slip language permitting a naturalized citizen to be President into another resolution of theirs makes me think that at least some Dems are aware of the situtation, too. Otherwise, if he had been born in Hawaii as you assert, he and the Dems would certainly have released the original by now simply to make his accusers look foolish. Instead, he’s hiding it - because he needs to hide it for some reason.
Not necessarily, as the Electors might vote for the next highest vote getter which would be McCain.
“If he is proved to be ineligible, can you imagine the race riots....The thought of this alone is the reason that I think the SCOTUS is passing on all of the cases thus far.”
If the Constitution is not upheld it would be far worse than any riots, most of which would be carried out by less than 1% of the population who riot over most anything anyway in some major cities. I don't care about possible riots, the Constitution being upheld is the only thing on my mind.
If he does not meet the requirements he will not and should not be President. I believe most Americans who voted for him would be very angry with him for all his lies if that were the case.
If it turns out that Obama does meet the constitutional requirements then so be it, he will be sworn in on January 20th. At least we all will know the truth. The burden of truth belongs to Obama and no one else. Why won't he just release his records and put this all to rest??
I have read the report about Ann being in Cuba but believe it is yet another of those rumors. If her father wouldn’t allow her to attend either the University of Chicago or the University of Washington he definitely would not allow her to go to Cuba to some commune. We know she left WA state almost immediately after graduation in June,1960 and we know she attended the fall semester of 1960 at the University of Hawaii at Manao although she did not start that semester until Sept.26/60. I don’t know if UHatM started their semesters later than some other schools but that is possible.
Let’s just put the asterek on Obama* just like the media did all year when the Patriots* were accused of cheating.
Obama will never by my president unless he shows the sealed long form birth certificate. Will I be satisfied with the sealed long form bc? Yes. However, If it turns out he is eligible to be President yet the father listed is someone other than Obama* has been telling us all this time then I could never trust Obama*.
I bet it is embarrassing, though I don’t think disqualifying. Too many people, including state and federal election officials, etc., have too much at stake, (like possible criminal negligence) if there were anything too damaging and they did nothing. My inkling is that either his mom was younger than 18 when he was born, his real name is not Obama but her maiden name, or some such.
In my most cynical moments, I think he knows there is nothing major there, but wants to work up a certain number of folks on the right to cause dissent in the ranks, weakening the R’s run in 2010. Then, when he finally releases it, we all have egg on our face. But I understand that’s pretty far fetched.
My husband’s theory is that ‘one’ of his names on that certificate is....Muhammad...as in Barack Hussein Muhammad (last name)
Having been through the security clearance process, several times...
Getting a security clearance is a voluntary process. It is a pre-requisite to certain jobs. If you want the job, you must submit to the clearance process. The application makes that very clear: that you are volunteering the information, of your own free will.
A security clearance is little more than an administratively-imposed requirement for the job in question: just like citizenship, education, previous experience.
Obama is the President-elect. Presuming that he meets the Constitutional requirements, he will be President. Period. There is no Constitutional requirement for the President to have a "security clearance".
And again, having been through the clearance process: I know that what little we know about Obama's background would immediately disqualify him. The gaps in his personal history would be even bigger red flags to an investigator.
That is likely, Muhammad, as they are all named Muhammad. But he is not Muslim. Show the birth certificate and the new puppy to prove it.
I saw it posted here in another thread...but i cannot find it.
There is a section of the Constitution dealing with this. Someone posted it.
It says something about if the president elect is deemed ineligible before being sworn in the running mate is sworn in....
I have done some research on Indonesian citizenship laws and while yes, he might have had dual citizenship until age 18, it did not extend into adulthood unless he actively chose that citizenship over US.
I just posted in this thread my thoughts on the ‘non release’ of the bc. Should just be up a couple of posts.
Another fact to consider is that the state of Hawaii, under statute, ONLY releases the short form. While I absolutely understand the desire to see the entire long form (vault form), I am VERY hesitant to have the executive branch usurp state law.
I agree. I think all of them know that something is percolating...there are at least two cases that have made it to the Supreme Court, and neither has been thrown out. Emergency Stays to delay the election were denied, but the cases themselves are still live.
Obama has until Dec. 1 to answer Justice Souter in the Berg case. An email I got from a friend with an article written by a legal scholar said that the Supremes don’t like being ignored, and his guess is that if Souter doesn’t receive a suitable response, he’ll empanel three other judges to discuss the next step. I would certainly think that anyone having won the Presidency who is unwilling to produce birth records would be looked at very skeptically.
Berg does have evidence, albeit not an original birth certificate, that Obama was born in Kenya. He may have other materials that we don’t know about. I have a feeling that SOMEONE has Obama’s original birth certificate from Kenya, and that it will surface within the next two weeks. Then Obama will HAVE to come up with proof that the Kenyan one is a fake. If he can’t, then there’s no way he can prove he was born here.
This would be the most incredible and unprecedented turn of events in American history. Maybe it’s too much to hope for, but either way, he’s definitely hiding something, and the truth will come out.
I wrote my state electors and all the members of the Supreme Court as a Friend of the Court. From what I have learned, both groups are being deluged with mail about checking out Obama’s birth details.
So maybe that is why McCain is meeting with Obama*?
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