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To: browardchad

“There’s no existent federal statute which specifically requires a citizen to produce any copy of their birth certificate to qualify for President, unfortunately.

But that wasn’t your original argument.

You stated that Hawaii officials had verified the validity of the COLB that he has thus far presented as a digitized image on the web, and to a few employees of FactCheck who aren’t document experts.

The Hawaii DOH officials didn’t verify that COLB.

I was incorrect in stating that the place of birth wouldn’t appear on the COLB, but since no experts (including the officials of the Hawaii DOH) have examined the COLB he’s presented, we don’t know if it’s authentic.

It would be very simple for Obama to let that happen, but he hasn’t. Thus the lawsuits, and the controversy.”


The news reports that I have read of the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health and the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics addressing the issue did not state whether the question was asked and answered as to whether there is any difference between the information on the vault copy of Obama’s COLB and the version that has appeared on various web sites.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081101/NEWS05/811010345/1001/localnewsfront
If those two state officials are asked to submit sworn affidavits for a legal proceeding on the COLBs issue, I’m willing to bet that question will be covered.
There is no relevant difference between a Hawaii long form COLB and a Hawaii short form COLB in terms of information on the Certificate that establishes place of birth and time of birth.
Here’s an image of a long form certificate from around that era:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Pa2xrvJ7xpA/SGhdwbdXc-I/AAAAAAAAACA/wzwObxc8fjw/s1600-h/scan0001.jpg

From Obama’s legal counsels’ point of view, its the principle of the thing: the short form certificate is valid for establishing citizenship for every other Hawaii citizen. Their legal argument is why should Barack Hussein Obama Junior’s short form COLB be treated any differently?
Hawaii only allows release of copies of the short form COLB, even to the person named on the certificate.

None of us know what has already been presented to Bush administration officials for Obama’s security clearance to engage in his top secret briefings that have already begun with CIA and NSA officials.


1,687 posted on 11/17/2008 10:18:16 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Let’s just put the asterek on Obama* just like the media did all year when the Patriots* were accused of cheating.

Obama will never by my president unless he shows the sealed long form birth certificate. Will I be satisfied with the sealed long form bc? Yes. However, If it turns out he is eligible to be President yet the father listed is someone other than Obama* has been telling us all this time then I could never trust Obama*.


1,691 posted on 11/17/2008 10:26:16 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: jamese777
None of us know what has already been presented to Bush administration officials for Obama’s security clearance to engage in his top secret briefings that have already begun with CIA and NSA officials.

Having been through the security clearance process, several times...

Getting a security clearance is a voluntary process. It is a pre-requisite to certain jobs. If you want the job, you must submit to the clearance process. The application makes that very clear: that you are volunteering the information, of your own free will.

A security clearance is little more than an administratively-imposed requirement for the job in question: just like citizenship, education, previous experience.

Obama is the President-elect. Presuming that he meets the Constitutional requirements, he will be President. Period. There is no Constitutional requirement for the President to have a "security clearance".

And again, having been through the clearance process: I know that what little we know about Obama's background would immediately disqualify him. The gaps in his personal history would be even bigger red flags to an investigator.

1,694 posted on 11/17/2008 10:31:30 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: jamese777

George Bush was worse than a fool to do that. He has made himself a participant in this coup.


1,709 posted on 11/17/2008 11:02:06 AM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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To: jamese777
The news reports that I have read of the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health and the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics addressing the issue did not state whether the question was asked and answered as to whether there is any difference between the information on the vault copy of Obama’s COLB and the version that has appeared on various web sites.

For the last time, did you read the statement of Hawaii Department of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino, 10/31/08?

That's it and that's all -- that's as far as the Hawaii DOH can legally go, no matter how many "news reports" try to spin, interpret and add to it -- and no matter how annoyed Dr. Fukino reportedly is that the DOH is beseiged with irate US citizens wanting to know the details on such an inconsequential matter (apparently to her) as the Constitutional eligibility of the President-elect. All of your comments beyond the point of the official statement are simply opinion, not fact.

You keep trying to deflect from your assertion, posted repeatedly on this thread in one form or another, that "Hawaii state health department officials have verified the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth."

They haven't.
1,821 posted on 11/17/2008 3:15:01 PM PST by browardchad
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