Do Obama and Ayers really appear to be 17-18 in this photo, like the rest of the kids clearly are? Or more like 21-22?
NYT published this photo, minus the actual kids.
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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My "storyline" is a very limited conjecture based on the absence of proof of marriage and the social mores of the time -- nothing more. David's, OTOH, is based on conjectures presented as facts -- of airport photos being portrayed as "wedding photos," a pregnant girl's absence from school meaning, ipso facto, that she was living in Kenya, and a suspicion that a birth cert is irregular pointing to the nonexistent "fact" that Obama was therefore born in Kenya. I don't consider those "reasonable inferences" -- no matter how badly he, or you, want them to be true.
I've read all the discussion, pro and con, on the birth cert, and I don't see anything definitive, either way. Again, your points about the cert are conjectures, not facts.
As far as your statement (if that's what it is) that "We know the truth. I think it may hurt him very much that he does not." -- Please. You're dealing with a master manipulator here, who's based a large portion of his political career on his "life story." It took him six years to write his so-called "memoirs." Has it occurred to you that the reason for that may be that he was checking to see how much exaggeration and distortion he could get away with? Do you really think he hasn't had legions of his minions out covering his messiah derriere for the remaining gaps? (The book contradicts itself internally on many points, and there's more than a few incidents in which his narrative has been refuted by people from his past.) If you don't think he's aware that his so-called "life story" is anything but, think again.
When the fawning NY Times has to print a story saying such things as his book is "full of clever tricks — inventions for literary effect...simply the tricks that art trades in," and "He was writing at a time well before a recent series of publishing scandals involving fabrication in memoirs," and "it all had a sort of larger truth going on that you couldn’t make up.” -- What exactly are they saying, other than the book -- and his life, as he presents it -- is, to some predictable degree, a piece of fiction?
I'll drink to that
Got any gin left?
Maybe we can get both BO and McCain erased from their presidential aspirations.
I’ll drink to that
Got any gin left?
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(Got any gin left?)
Oh, absolutely.
CHEERS!!! (Glass in hand. Facing north to the United States.)
1961 is a very advanced era, records wise. If he was born here, somebody has a documentary record, photo, bill, notes, report -- something! But if he was born in Kenya? Maybe a record, or maybe just the oral family tradition.
Well we have reports of the oral tradition -- in Kenya, and we have no such detailed reports US, and we have no documents.
I don't *want* anything to be true -- the truth is what it is. And what is the truth about this man's birth -- where and when did it happen?
Yes, Obama is a master of the moment now, isn't he? Will beats all. His internal drives, his will, from what do they arise? He is "change", he is "hope", he is "a uniter"! He wanted to change his circumstance -- to have Dad and Mom, together, his own and not the substitute. He wants to recover the hope that he must have had as a child -- see the airport picture, look at how happy he was, in his own dad's arms -- that his parents would magically reunite. Magic, of a sort. was all around him in his life. He wasn't living in tribal Kenya, or second-world Indonesia -- magic! He was in the best of all Hawaiian schools, a exotic among the elite of the exotics - magic! He lived in some many worlds -- africa, indonesian, muslim, living-room marxism, upper-class banking and business -- magic! Who would not want to magically UNITE them all?
Obama's father was here on a student visa. So, whatever Obama's citizenship relies on it's pretty well limited to his mother's status and if she was abroad, there are conditions. As you have seen the law gets murky and deep.
Besides, you have a lot of gall to even think we are defending McCain!
That's a blood libel in my book.
Who the heck are you yammering about? BO or McNut?
“That’s a blood libel in my book.”
I am thinking of calling the FBI on you.
P.S.
And I will.
That's the last thing any of us can imagine doing. You know that, and don't play dumb.
Now, what was it you proposed doing? You're going to call the FBI about posts on an FR thread?
They'll be out to see you with large butterfly nets Fur Shur.
“blood libel” to me it was a personal threat.
Next time use English rather than some bebop type language.
“Now, what was it you proposed doing? You’re going to call the FBI about posts on an FR thread?”
Yes. You would be wise to believe it.
There was a rather large hurricane that hit HI ... 2 years ago? We got a check-in from a bunch of HI freepers.
That’s uncalled for.
“That’s uncalled for.”
About what? I don’t like to eat tripe? (A disgusting but popular dish in Panama.)
Is that to what are you referring?
Do Obama and Ayers really appear to be 17-18 in this photo, like the rest of the kids clearly are? Or more like 21-22?
NYT published this photo, minus the actual kids.
...they're small...
1977 year book
1978 year book
Bill Ayes mugshot, 1968
The picture of the old terminal came from this page:
Old TerminalThe caption under the picture says: Pan American Airways Ticket Lobby, Honolulu International Airport, 1960.
The old Terminal at Honolulu International Airport was located on the South Ramp. Operations at the old terminal ceased on October 14, 1962 and were switched to the new Terminal on the North Ramp.
Can you give me a pointer to these? Several others have referred to them, as well, but I've never seen them. Who reported this? When? Have you seen them? I am very, very interested to see them.
That's what the response was to.
Now, in your case it sounds like you think a "blood libel" is a threat to "do something"? How utterly strange.
Best you'all learn English, eh!
mark
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