Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Thanks for proving my point.
“Nothing more and nothing less.”
Sorry, those were your words. Comparing the RR to the anti-war wackos is not a healthy comparison.
Hey, finally got one! :-)
Great posts, both of you. I hope that your reasoned, respectful, and heart-felt words will be read and have a positive effect on this thread.
And, Lando, you are so right; it is much, much more than another flame-war on an unimportant web site. FR was having a positive effect on politics and had become a valuable resource in the fight against the left. It is now well on its way to becoming a laughing-stock, and fulfilling the preconceptions of an uninformed and potentially hostile public.
I've had that car in the shop all week, BTW.
Message received loud and clear. The WOT is the primary issue at hand for GodBlessUSA. If Rudy is the nominee, she will vote for him and we should too. Sorry. That isn't gonna happen.
>>>>>Because 9/11 is sacred to me, I dont like seeing Rudy Giuliani trashed. According to some here, he actually did nothing right at that time... that is despicable, unnecessary commentary and I reject it.
This is a big part of the problem for many Republicans. Emotions are still running high for many people. problem, those emotions are adversely effecting the judgment of some. I grew up in NYC and watched the Twin Towers being built and even did some work for the IBEW at the WTC. I will never forget the events of 9-11, nor would I ever downplay the heinous nature of those events. However, more importantly, 9-11 was an historic event of enormous proportions. With short term and long term ramifications. The personal behavior and public actions of Mayor Giuliani on that fateful day and in the weeks that followed, was not out of line with what is expected from the Mayor of America's largest city.
But Rudy`s 9-11 behavior is not a reason for conservatives to throw away their principles and vote for a liberal to be the standard bearer of the GOP.
>>>>I dont think I support Swift-boating Giuliani unless something truly awful emerges about him.
If you read the thread, you'll see that there are numerous problems that we conservatives have with Rudy. They cover a multitude of issues. From his support for big govt, gun control, abortion on demand as a constitutional right, PBA, gay rights and amnesty, global warming ---- along with a host of other issues. Its not just 1-2 03 3 issues that we object to Rudy on.
With Reagan, most conservatives were satisfied about 80% of the time. With Bush43, conservatives got about half of what we wanted from him. With Rudy we'd be lucky to get 20%!
Nope. Can't ever consider voting Rudy. Frankly, I don't trust any liberal. That includes Rudy.
I've seen few stinkier steaming piles than that on FR in seven years.
He is very respectful when disagreeing. That’s what dissent is about.
Hubby just got back from a 3 day out of town trip...might not get to play too much....
That’s OK...the break might be good.
Heck, you may even get some....SEWING done! KNITTING!
WHOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Hi - I remember you. The pirate battle was a blast...
No, Really! They were speaking admiringly of us at DU and everything ;’}
Okay, you have problems with Rudy you don’t have to support him. Neither do I. However, does “Swift-boating” a Republican ultimately serve conservatism and the preservation of this Nation...?
Who, of the conservative candidates, supports this?
*snort*
>>FR was having a positive effect on politics and had become a valuable resource in the fight against the left. It is now well on its way to becoming a laughing-stock, and fulfilling the preconceptions of an uninformed and potentially hostile public. <<
The voice of reason—and yet again you won’t listen.
Ahhh...missed it by one...
Well, that seems reasonable enough.
Maybe we're not as far apart as it might have seemed.
But I do reserve the right to have a favorite not exactly in the race.
Reagan dead would be a better president than any Dim alive.
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