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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Skywarner
>>>>>I guess that means that they weren't "true" conservatives, after all then, right?

Finally! You've hit the truth.

>>>>>I will, at least until I'm banned, too.

So you're looking to get banned. At least you're honest about it. But this is no game. You're not gonna go down in history for begging to be banned from FR. LOL

13,501 posted on 04/28/2007 3:06:06 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: JCEccles

What did Reagan do after it was clear that Ford had the nomination?


13,502 posted on 04/28/2007 3:06:21 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: DCPatriot

I’m aiming for 13,501.

JimRob for President!


13,503 posted on 04/28/2007 3:07:28 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: EternalVigilance

And this time, they’ll come over because they can’t stand to be aligned with the Party of Defeat and they’ll come over because they don’t want more confiscatory taxation.


13,504 posted on 04/28/2007 3:07:39 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Reagan Man

No, I’m not looking to get banned. But the potential of such an action won’t stop me from being frank and speaking my mind.

If I wanted to be banned, I would have opused days ago. ;-)


13,505 posted on 04/28/2007 3:08:06 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: Skywarner

The secret is to go back to the foundational principles and make sure that THEY are the common ground we build on. Otherwise, it’s the Tower of Babel, built on sinking sand.

“Unless the LORD builds the house, they that labor, labor in vain.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=3565#3565


13,506 posted on 04/28/2007 3:08:08 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Skywarner

It never reached the point that the party left him...I suspect he would put the future of America over mere party loyalty. He was an American, with a great dream for America first; a republican second. He would not have sacrificed America’s future to the altar of the Republican party...but he would have worked hard to get the party where it ought to be, given the choice.


13,507 posted on 04/28/2007 3:08:13 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: DCPatriot

“You know...perhaps, if FreeRepublic would have had ‘special invitation’ threads...aka known as anti-Rudy threads...none of this would have happened.

Allow the great unwashed the ability to look over your shoulder...for an education, etc., but no opposite point of view allowed....so that you stay focused, etc..”

“It would have worked.”

That should be addressed with the man that started this thread.


13,508 posted on 04/28/2007 3:08:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: woofie

“I ask those of you who are able to stand back and look at yourselves ...It aint pretty.”

I knew you were into pretty. “I’m so pretty, I’m so pretty......Edwards campaign?


13,509 posted on 04/28/2007 3:09:20 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: ansel12

“Why Johnny Ringo! You looked like somebody just walked over your grave!”


13,510 posted on 04/28/2007 3:09:47 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Skywarner
Yes, Ronald Reagan would run as hard as he could against the RINO. But, he wouldn’t take down the party doing it.

I do believe the man had principles and wouldn't at that point. What would he do today? The "party" isn't what is was then. Wish he was here, I can't believe he'd go for today's offerings.

13,511 posted on 04/28/2007 3:10:06 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Skywarner

“It’s also been a loss to the Free Republic community at large. I mourn their loss”

Just my opinion, but it seems that mentally, you’ve already taken yourself out of the FR community at large. Just my observation on your comment.


13,512 posted on 04/28/2007 3:10:29 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: wagglebee

My last count is 46 involving some banned from other threads that were reported on here. I think it’s a shame that it had to come down to this, but seems some FReepers accepted liberalism to accept liberal Rudy. Either that, or they were liberal all along. I haven’t been here long enough to know for sure. Some of the names on the banned list I recognized, but others I did not.


13,513 posted on 04/28/2007 3:11:02 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: DCPatriot

“MadIvan...who IMHO, was a Prince of a gentleman in this forum.”

sghgpunkhsjbdgkdfj


13,514 posted on 04/28/2007 3:11:15 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
"It is almost as difficult to make a man unlearn his errors as his knowledge. Malinformation is more hopeless than non-information; for error is always more busy than ignorance. Ignorance is a blank sheet, on which we may write; but error is a scribbled one, from which we must first erase. Ignorance is contented to stand still with her back to the truth; but error is more presumptuous, and proceeds in the wrong direction. Ignorance has no light, but error follows a false one. The consequence is, that error, when she retraces her steps, has farther to go before she can arrive at truth, than ignorance." - Colton
13,515 posted on 04/28/2007 3:11:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: ozarkgirl
Damn...I have to leave....to eat dinner.

No talking behind my back, ya'll hear me?? ;^)

13,516 posted on 04/28/2007 3:11:55 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Reagan Man

“>>>>>It’s also been a loss to the Free Republic community at large. I mourn their loss, especially those conservatives that left in protest.<<<<<<

Like so many others, you’re under some illusion. If someone wants to promote liberalism and oppose conservatism, then FR is not for them....”

If Rudy is the chosen candidate of the Republican party against Hillary Clinton, it is NOT “promoting liberalism and opposing conservatism” to support him.

In fact, it would promote liberalism (and oppose conservatism) by staying home and letting Hillary win. It’s THAT simple.

Now, at the risk of repeating myself...

A) I do not agree with Rudy’s social positions (abortion, gay marriage, gun control).
B) I wish there was a conservative in the race whom I could see as electable. At present, there isn’t.

On the other hand, I respect what he’s been able to accomplish, I respect his courage to say what he thinks and stand up to people, and I respect his track record in getting things done. For others of you, I guess, the fact that he showed up at a charity event in drag is evidently all you need to cross him off your list, and let Her Highness take the throne.


13,517 posted on 04/28/2007 3:12:10 PM PDT by Pravious
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To: Skywarner

“I will, at least until I’m banned, too.”

Your way out in the outer orbit of the light.


13,518 posted on 04/28/2007 3:12:32 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Amen.


13,519 posted on 04/28/2007 3:13:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: sissyjane; EternalVigilance

13,520 posted on 04/28/2007 3:14:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Dogs think they're human, Cats think they're Gods.)
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