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Scientists Show We've Been Losing Face For 10,000 Years
The Times (UK) ^ | 11-20-2005 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 11/20/2005 1:21:49 PM PST by blam

The Sunday Times November 20, 2005

Scientists show we’ve been losing face for 10,000 years

Jonathan Leake, Science Editor

THE human face is shrinking. Research into people’s appearance over the past 10,000 years has found that our ancestors’ heads and faces were up to 30% larger than now. Changes in diet are thought to be the main cause. The switch to softer, farmed foods means that jawbones, teeth, skulls and muscles do not need to be as strong as in the past.

The shrinkage has been blamed for a surge in dental problems caused by crooked or overlapping teeth.

“Over the past 10,000 years there has been a trend toward rounder skulls with smaller faces and jaws,” said Clark Spencer Larsen, professor of anthropology at Ohio State University.

“This began with the rise in farming and the increasing use of cooking, which began around 10,000 years ago.”

His conclusions are based on measurements from thousands of teeth, jawbones, skulls and other bones collected from prehistoric sites around the world.

Skulls from the site of a 9,000-year-old city in Turkey — thought to be the world’s oldest — show that the faces of city-dwellers had already begun to shrink compared with contemporaries who had not settled down.

Details will be reported at a forthcoming conference on the global history of health. Larsen will suggest that a typical human of 10,000 years ago would have had a much heavier build overall because of the hard work needed to gather food and stay alive.

He said: “Many men then would have had the shape of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s head while women might have looked more like Camilla [the Duchess of Cornwall]. By contrast, Tony Blair and George Bush are good examples of the more delicate modern form.”

Other studies are confirming Larsen’s findings. George Armelagos, professor of anthropology at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, has made extensive measurements on people from Nubia in modern Egypt and Sudan to see how their appearance has changed.

He found that the top of the head, or cranial vault, had grown higher and more rounded, a pattern also seen in human remains found at sites in other parts of the world.

Charles Loring Brace, professor of anthropology at the University of Michigan, said: “Human faces are shrinking by 1%-2% every 1,000 years.

“What’s more, we are growing less teeth. Ten thousand years ago everyone grew wisdom teeth but now only half of us get them, and other teeth like the lateral incisors have become much smaller. This is evolution in action.”

Softer food may not be the only cause. Some scientists blame sexual selection — the preference of prehistoric people for partners with smaller faces.

Dr Simon Hillson, of the Institute of Archaeology at University College London, has studied humans living from 26,000 years ago to about 8,000 years ago. He measured 15,000 prehistoric teeth, jaws and skulls collected by museums around the world and found the same pattern of shrinking faces.

He said: “The presumption is that people must have chosen mates with smaller, shorter faces — but quite why this would be is less clear.”


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To: ValerieUSA
"Some people will believe anything."

Yup--you're certainly living proof of THAT.

101 posted on 11/20/2005 3:01:54 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: ValerieUSA; brytlea
"Evolution" was raised, and that's what evolution is all about.

Note the confusion of the anti-evolutionist -- they don't even know the field they attack well enough to know what it is and what it isn't. Evolution is genetic change across generations, period. Such change, large and small, is *all* evolution. It is entirely accurate to describe a trend in morphological change such as shrinking faces (or longer tails, for that matter) as evolution, because it is.

Only the anti-evos are ignorant enough about the field to think that evolution is *only* speciation. They can't even have a conversation about changing morphology without panicking about the fact that correctly calling that "evolution" might make the reader ponder about speciation as well.

102 posted on 11/20/2005 3:02:25 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: blam

Undoubtedly this study was skewed by the fact that mostly Europeans remains have been studied IE: the Cro-Magnon people of Northern Europe who have still today, larger faces than Asians or other peoples. How many Asians are in the fossil remains? Another point to consider suppose the genetic factors where split 50-50, farming allowed more smaller faced people to survive and past on their genes this would be perhaps be survival of the unfitest.The same arguments could be made about eyesight and an extremely slim build, my slim near sighted brother inlaw would have died in the first famine of childhood if he hadn't fallen off a cliff or been eaten by a lion earlier!


103 posted on 11/20/2005 3:02:25 PM PST by Razorism (misleading study)
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To: Wonder Warthog

No, I'm not.


104 posted on 11/20/2005 3:02:35 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Apparently you missed post #6, which defensively brought up the subject - and it was posted by .......... ?

...it was posted by someone making a pun, not being defensive. Get a grip. And a sense of humor. And an education. And switch to decaf or something.

105 posted on 11/20/2005 3:03:39 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ValerieUSA
Preferential breeding may eventually change the outward appearance of people, but it does not play a part in the species branching of horses and elephants and jackrabbits from the primordial soup. That's just silly to think so.

It may well look "silly" to someone ignorant of the massive evidence and research, I suppose.

106 posted on 11/20/2005 3:05:09 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

No, we want readers to consider that the all-encompassing term "evolution" that seems acceptable at this level, is the same term that includes wild assumptions about new species' emerging from old.. and all from one.


107 posted on 11/20/2005 3:05:37 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Ichneumon; brytlea

I can't help but laugh- you sound like Steve Irwin, prodding the creationist while explaining it to the camera.


108 posted on 11/20/2005 3:06:16 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Ichneumon

Okay, I'll change my word from "defensive" to deliberately "offensive."
Keep on provoking.......


109 posted on 11/20/2005 3:07:07 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Wonder Warthog
Selection for type, change over generations in a particular "breed"-- is nothing any farmer would deny.

You don't like a practical definition that most people understand?

If your theory is NOT that species emerge from other species, due to selection-out for enough new types, in geographic isolation, over long geological time...

Well, then WHAT IS IT YOU'RE SELLING, anyway?

110 posted on 11/20/2005 3:08:02 PM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: Sofa King

I'll play your game .... Check post #89


111 posted on 11/20/2005 3:10:06 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA; Wonder Warthog
No, you're kidding!

No, he's not.

Something is impossible for evolution to accomplish?

Sure. By the way, your pointless sarcasm only makes clear how little of substance you actually have to add to the discussion.

How about the very development of teeth?

That was no problem for evolution, and the evolutionary development of teeth can easily be traced through both the fossil record (teeth fossilize very well) and through genetic analysis across lineages which reveals the biochemical evolution of the development of teeth.

Of course, if you had actually bothered to *learn* about the subject before you decided it was all just "silly", you'd have *known* that already.

Instead, your arrogance in your ignorance just caused you to make a fool of yourself.

You contradict yourself

No, he doesn't. Where do you hallucinated that he did?

and explain it away with millions of years. Very convenient.

Yawn. He bases it on enormous volumes of actual evidence and research, hon. That's "very convenient" indeed for the biologists, and very inconvenient for the anti-evolution Luddites.

112 posted on 11/20/2005 3:11:46 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Oh, "hon", now? Losing a little scientific reserve, aren't you--try that on a student, and see what happens at our modern universities...


113 posted on 11/20/2005 3:13:08 PM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: blam

So were are the 10,000 year old faces they are comparing us to ?


114 posted on 11/20/2005 3:13:53 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: oblomov
For example, dogs are a unique species, that arose through the domestication of wolves (over hundreds of thousands of years).

There is actual evidence that mankind "domesticated" some wolves hundreds of thousands of years ago? I don't think so.........

115 posted on 11/20/2005 3:14:42 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: festus

Helen Thomas's?


116 posted on 11/20/2005 3:16:19 PM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: ValerieUSA

It's not a game. I don't bother posting on these threads unless I see someone who looks like they are honestly looking for an answer to a real question. Die-hard creationists who refuse to listen to anything you try to explain to them are nothing but timesinks.


117 posted on 11/20/2005 3:17:36 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Since all teeth are the same fundamental chemical composition, it is impossible for evolution to make them harder. Have to switch over to a different chemical subsrate, and since the calcium system has been selected for over millions of years, that just ain't gonna happen.

Okay, then why didn't the teeth regrow instead of just wear down and cause the people to need to cook their food and then lose face? Sharks have renewable teeth.

118 posted on 11/20/2005 3:18:16 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Ichneumon
My problem with the article is the word "surge"

You are affirming that for 10,000 years we have been in a mist of change and all of a sudden we have a surge in dental problems???

How about dental problems from changing eating habits, change of diet. Is this a world wide phenomenon or just a western civilization "surge"???

Yeah, can't risk actually learning anything, eh?

Patronizing eh?

I just think the science editor who wrote this piece would be a bit more careful with the English language

Maybe in your mind 10,000 years qualify as a "surge", but I don't.

If the second sentence makes me wonder if the guy is a hack, why should I waste my time finish reading it???

119 posted on 11/20/2005 3:18:55 PM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Sofa King

How long ago did mankind domesticate the wolf into dogs?


120 posted on 11/20/2005 3:19:16 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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