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The Poop On Ancient Man
The Globe And Mail ^ | 6-19-2004 | Jacob Berkowitz

Posted on 07/02/2004 7:44:11 PM PDT by blam

Edited on 07/02/2004 8:45:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Hendrik Poinar is holding a small plastic vial containing some of the oldest DNA ever extracted from human remains. The snips of genetic material are from a native American who made his home 8,000 years ago in a massive cliff-side rock shelter in southwestern Texas.


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KEYWORDS: ancient; anthropology; archaeology; archeology; economic; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; man; poop
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There were no Native American/American Indians as we know them today in North America 8,000 years ago. Prior to 6,000 years ago, there were other people here.

I notice a lot of anthropologists/archaeologists are beginning to call these ancient Americans, paleo-Americans.

1 posted on 07/02/2004 7:44:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: FairOpinion

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 07/02/2004 7:45:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Should I give a crap for future anthropologists?


3 posted on 07/02/2004 7:47:21 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( aka Gassybrowneyedbum)
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Gods, Graves, Glyphs -- Archeology/Antroplology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc. PING

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4 posted on 07/02/2004 7:51:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: blam

"I notice a lot of anthropologists/archaeologists are beginning to call these ancient Americans, paleo-Americans."

Maybe this will take some of the tar out of those snooty Indians.


5 posted on 07/02/2004 7:57:48 PM PDT by Redcoat LI (You Can Trust Me , I'm Not Like The Others.....)
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To: blam
The Poop on Ancient Man is crusted in their hind fur.
6 posted on 07/02/2004 7:59:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: FairOpinion; blam
Coprolites weren't taken seriously until after 1970? Wow, how smart is the archeology community?
7 posted on 07/02/2004 8:09:55 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra - https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/])
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Did Cannibalism Kill Anasazi Civilization?

"Billman discovered one other significant item, a coprolite - a pile of preserved human fecal matter - in the center of a fireplace. He concluded that after the fire had died, someone had squatted over the hearth and defecated. The coprolite has become a key part of the cannibalism puzzle. It has been analyzed for the presence of human protein, which would prove the ingestion of human flesh. The results are expected to be published this year."

The results are in and the coprolite contained human protein proving Christy Turner's theory. The Indians are mum.

8 posted on 07/02/2004 8:24:25 PM PDT by blam
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"Coprolites are fantastic sources of DNA. It turns out that with bones and poop from the same cave, the poops outdo the bones in terms of DNA yields by up to 10-fold," he says.

The only problem is you end up with crappy DNA samples.
9 posted on 07/02/2004 8:26:20 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Lady Jag

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it.


10 posted on 07/02/2004 8:48:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam
The snips of genetic material are from a native American...

Doesn't federal law require that the poop be given back to the Native Americans?
11 posted on 07/02/2004 8:55:48 PM PDT by ScuzzyTerminator
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To: blam
"It's one of the biggest crap deposits known,"

Imagine what they will say about Wash DC in the future...lol.

12 posted on 07/02/2004 9:01:58 PM PDT by Khurkris (Will the wind ever remember the names it has blown in the past, It whispers no this will be the last)
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To: Petronski
The Poop on Ancient Man is crusted in their hind fur.

I hate it when that happens.

13 posted on 07/02/2004 9:02:12 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: ScuzzyTerminator
"Doesn't federal law require that the poop be given back to the Native Americans?"

I hadn't thought about that. As soon as results start coming in that they don't like...they'll be in court wanting to bury the crap too.

14 posted on 07/02/2004 9:05:10 PM PDT by blam
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>> "Coprolites are fantastic sources of DNA. It turns out that with bones and poop from the same cave, the poops outdo the bones in terms of DNA yields by up to 10-fold," he says.

I wouldn't have thought poop to be a good source for DNA, but then perhaps it does contain a lot of a human's enzymes and digestive juices. Saliva works, so why not from the other end...

I say we clone one of those guys to see what he looks like, and refer to THOSE people as "native Americans".

15 posted on 07/02/2004 9:05:30 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: BenLurkin
Are you a coprophile?
16 posted on 07/02/2004 9:13:27 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra - https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/])
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To: blam

Some years ago an anthropologist reconstruction an ancient Native American's diet by analyzing coprolites. Being a good "participatory" scientist instead of just a theoretician, he then proceeded to eat that diet himself for a time -- fish, cactus pads, etc. As I recall, he said, "I lost 20 lbs and never felt better in my life."


17 posted on 07/02/2004 9:25:57 PM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Rytwyng
an anthropologist made reconstruction of...

brain outruns keyboard sometimes...

18 posted on 07/02/2004 9:27:14 PM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Rytwyng

Probably similar to the Neanderthal diet.


19 posted on 07/02/2004 9:39:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: FL_engineer
"I say we clone one of those guys to see what he looks like, and refer to THOSE people as "native Americans"."

We already have at least two reconstructed skeletons, Kennewick Man (9,300 yo) and Spirit Cave Man. Spirit Cave Man is 9,400 years old and the oldest mummy ever discovered in the Americas, he looks suprisingly like Kennewick Man.

20 posted on 07/02/2004 9:45:11 PM PDT by blam
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