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Petite skull reopens human ancestry debate
New Scientist ^ | 7/1/04 | Will Knight

Posted on 07/02/2004 7:55:48 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

Petite skull reopens human ancestry debate 18:47 01 July 04 NewScientist.com news service

The remnants of a remarkably petite skull belonging to one of the first human ancestors to walk on two legs have revealed the great physical diversity among these prehistoric populations.

But whether the species Homo erectus, meaning "upright man", should be reclassified into several distinct species remains controversial.

Richard Potts, from the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC, and colleagues discovered numerous pieces of a single skull in the Olorgesailie valley, in southern Kenya, between June and August 2003.

The bones found suggest the skull is that of a young adult Homo erectus who inhabited the lush mountainside some 930,000 years ago. The prominent brow and temporal bone resemble other Homo erectus specimens found elsewhere in Africa, and in Europe, Indonesia and China.

But the skull itself is around 30% smaller, which is likely to have corresponded to a similar difference in body size. The specimen helps fill a gap in the fossil record as very few Homo erectus specimens of this age have been found in Africa so far.

Strong arm

Many stone tools of similar age to the skull fragments have been found at the same site, and Potts' team suspect these may have required considerably more strength to manufacture than the small Homo erectus probably possessed. If so, this would imply a considerable physical variation within the local population.

Some experts even go so far as to suggest that a complete rethink of the human genealogical tree may be in order. "Recognising that Homo erectus may be more a historical accident than a biological reality might lead to a better understanding of those fossils whose morphology clearly exceeds the bounds of individual variation," says Jeffrey Schwartz of Pittsburgh University.

But Fred Spoor, at University College London, UK, disputes this interpretation, saying there is probably similar variation among modern human populations and ape species. "It's completely justified to call it Homo erectus," he told New Scientist. "This just gives some insight into the great variation of later specimens."

Spoor notes that the paucity of the fossil record means that many conjectures about Homo erectus remain unproven.

He hypothesises that a Homo erectus of this size may in fact have been muscular enough to make the stone tools found in the Olorgesailie valley. "They may have been small individuals, but incredibly powerful," he says.

Journal reference Science (vol 305, p 75)

Will Knight


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; creation; crevolist; evolution; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; humanancestry
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To: sawmill trash
If humans evolved from apes ... why didn't the apes evolve ?

The only people who claim that humans evolved from apes are the preachers and anti-science journalists of the 19th Century.
Nowhere else have I read that theory.
Evolutionary Science has humans and apes evolving from a common ancestor.
81 posted on 07/03/2004 6:58:43 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: nmh
Too bad the premise of an evolutionist is that God doesn't exist…

??? Where does that come from???
82 posted on 07/03/2004 7:02:34 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: sawmill trash
Show me the proof of this statement.

If it requires indisputable proof, show me the proof that a Supreme Being created everything from nothing.
It this can not be done to my satisfaction, then it in it’s self must be proof of the fallacy of creationism.
83 posted on 07/03/2004 7:07:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: sawmill trash
Since you are so bright (and I admittedly am not) which came first, the chicken or the egg ?

The egg.
84 posted on 07/03/2004 11:02:14 AM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: Dimensio

Since you are so bright (and I admittedly am not) which came first, the chicken or the egg ?

The egg.

So where did the egg come from ?


85 posted on 07/03/2004 11:09:15 AM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: R. Scott

If it requires indisputable proof, show me the proof that a Supreme Being created everything from nothing.

Proof is not required...only Faith is required.


86 posted on 07/03/2004 11:10:57 AM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: sawmill trash
Proof is not required...only Faith is required

Very true, and that is my point.
For the religionist, only faith is required to believe that God created all that there is - but at the same time the religionist requires absolute proof of science. If there is any perceived crack in the proof, than they claim that science is wrong and religion is right.
87 posted on 07/03/2004 12:22:18 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Ichneumon

Darwin said it,
I believe it,
and that settles it!


88 posted on 07/03/2004 12:46:22 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: sawmill trash
If humans evolved from apes ... why didn't the apes evolve ?

If the USA was formed by splitting off from England, why is England still around?

89 posted on 07/03/2004 1:06:01 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Ichneumon

Do you really think creationists will actually bother to read the article?


90 posted on 07/03/2004 1:12:57 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Elsie
They DID!

They got's thumbs on their FEET!

The other apes have certainly evolved since our species went their separate ways. They haven't evolved into humans, but so what?

91 posted on 07/03/2004 1:15:11 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Elsie
Perhaps us HUMANS de-volved them feet thumbs.

There's no such thing as "de-evolution."

92 posted on 07/03/2004 1:16:27 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: sawmill trash
Since you are so bright (and I admittedly am not) which came first, the chicken or the egg ?

The reptile came first.

93 posted on 07/03/2004 1:19:09 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: sawmill trash
So where did the egg come from ?

It came from whatever pre-chicken life-form laid it.
94 posted on 07/03/2004 1:29:09 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
Darwin said it, I believe it, and that settles it!

Then you're not much of a scientist. The rest of us require supporting evidence, not just someone's word. I "believe it" because there *is* a mountain of overwhelming evidence supporting evolution.

95 posted on 07/03/2004 3:18:54 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Dimensio; sawmill trash
Okay. First, humans didn't "evolve from apes". Humans and apes share a common ancestor.

The last common ancestor of chimps and humans would definitely be considered an ape. It wouldn't exactly be a chimp or any other modern species of ape, but it would have looked rather more like a chimp than like us.

For that matter, if you could take time machine voyage and trace our line far enough, you would arrive at something which would be classed as a monkey, because that's the pre-existing stock from which apes arose. It wouldn't be any modern monkey species, but you'd admit it to be a monkey.

If you go back farther yet, way back this time, there's nothing "more advanced" (in the human-like direction) than fish. Go back to the Vendian and there aren't even any fish. Nevertheless, our ancestry would be there, in some primitive form.

96 posted on 07/03/2004 3:38:32 PM PDT by VadeRetro (You don't just bat those big liquid eyes and I start noticing how lovely you are. Hah!)
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To: Modernman
There's no such thing as "de-evolution."

Oh...?

You have this on some authority???


I seem recall that ALL of the fishy stuff that was BEFORE mammals seems to have devolved away....

(t least that's what my MIRROR tells me...)

[Well, in the winter, my HANDS do become a bit scaly...]

97 posted on 07/03/2004 4:46:32 PM PDT by Elsie (There is nothing you can't achieve if you are willing to give other people the credit...)
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To: PatrickHenry

Put me on the ping list. Looks like this is gonna be another fun one from the crevos. Its no fair really, the evolutionists have to actually use facts and data, the crevos just say "its a miracle!"


98 posted on 07/03/2004 4:55:07 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am)
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To: Elsie
You have this on some authority???

How about the fact that there's no defined process for "biological devolution" or "biological de-evolution"?

Or are you going to insist that you're right unless we can absolutely prove that every biologist out there disagrees with you?
99 posted on 07/03/2004 5:51:20 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: R. Scott

Very true, and that is my point.
For the religionist, only faith is required to believe that God created all that there is - but at the same time the religionist requires absolute proof of science. If there is any perceived crack in the proof, than they claim that science is wrong and religion is right.


I do believe that God created it all.

I just figure that with all the fossils that are scattered all over the world there would be some evidence of evolution if it were true, yet all that is ever found is species of one type or another.


100 posted on 07/03/2004 6:51:46 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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